Teaching ‘Western Values’ in China

[AndrewJin]

Best to ignore him whatever he is.

He will probably jump to immigration having had enough from questioning CCP's legitimacy.

In the meantime, Indian democracy continues to remain corrupt, nepotist, inefficient and discriminatory.

Yes, this thread is mere a chemical primer like all his old ones. Suppose India has all, cheers! We are lucky we don't have them.

Well...

You haven't really raised any valid objections to my point apart from petty ad-hominem attacks.
I expect substantive arguments and objections from you.

Thanks for the new word. You guys really know more English words than any English native speakers I've known.

 

[TaiShang]

Yes, this thread is mere a chemical primer like all his old ones. Suppose India has all, cheers! We are lucky we don't have them.


Thanks for the new word. You guys really know more English words than any English native speakers I've known.

If I had to choose between Western and Indian values, I would go for the former.

Luckily, we have our own time-tested values.

 

[AndrewJin]

If I had to choose between Western and Indian values, I would go for the former.

Luckily, we have our own time-tested values.

Is there Indian values? They're proud of remnants of British colonisation and proud of speaking fluently English which distinguish "high-end" Indians from "low-end" Indians.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Is there Indian values? They're proud of remnants of British colonisation and proud of speaking fluently English which distinguish "high-end" Indians from "low-end" Indians.

Regarding culture and values. I am some 50% sure its a cultural thing. In my travel to China, I am must say, though I am impressed by its development, but even in towns like Zhouzhang (venice of the east), I didnt see a single Chinese in a traditional chinese dress. What I saw was full of people embracing western wear. Only the day I started back to India by road from Kunshan to PVG airport, I finally saw two chinese ladies in their traditional dress.

I know such dresses cant be weared in professional environment. But even in towns and villages?? I am curious to know ur view points.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

I am confident that things will loosen up eventually. I confess, however, I was even more confident 10 years ago.

The simple answer lies in our history，China is an isolated civilization for thousands of years at the far side of the world，we were not very good at communicating with others，nor did we feel the need to，until less than 200 years ago. We were just minding our own business without a single care for rest of the world，till the “isolation” became one of our identity. So many people mistake that for political reasons，but in fact，it‘s cultural and civilizational. We just enjoy being isolated，to a degree.

So things won’t loosen up eventually，on the contrary，censorship will stay and become stronger in the future，when the nationals are getting richer and growing more confidence，China will be more isolated.

 

[AndrewJin]

Regarding culture and values. I am some 50% sure its a cultural thing. In my travel to China, I am must say, though I am impressed by its development, but even in towns like Zhouzhang (venice of the east), I didnt see a single Chinese in a traditional chinese dress. What I saw was full of people embracing western wear. Only the day I started back to India by road from Kunshan to PVG airport, I finally saw two chinese ladies in their traditional dress.

I know such dresses cant be weared in professional environment. But even in towns and villages?? I am curious to know ur view points.

Modern wears are just skins not soul. Traditional Chinese dress is not appropriate for modern life. I don't think what you've seen are traditional dress.
Han Chinese traditional clothes

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Regarding culture and values. I am some 50% sure its a cultural thing. In my travel to China, I am must say, though I am impressed by its development, but even in towns like Zhouzhang (venice of the east), I didnt see a single Chinese in a traditional chinese dress. What I saw was full of people embracing western wear. Only the day I started back to India by road from Kunshan to PVG airport, I finally saw two chinese ladies in their traditional dress.

I know such dresses cant be weared in professional environment. But even in towns and villages?? I am curious to know ur view points.

China has been through 5 types of major clothing in less than 400 years. Its pretty amazing.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Modern wears are just skins not soul. Traditional Chinese dress is not appropriate for modern life. I don't think what you've seen are traditional dress.
Han Chinese traditional clothes
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No. This is the same kind of dress I saw, except the colours were in red . I was pleasantly surprised to see it

But nevertheless I want to see the rural life of China if I get a chance again

China has been through 5 types of major clothing in less than 400 years. Its pretty amazing.

Really? Amazing indeed. I mean in Tamil Nadu, even during important days offices, universities allows guys and girls in traditional wear and the dressing have mostly remained the same as long as I know the history of Tamil Nadu (and south Indian states) in general

 

[AndrewJin]

The simple answer lies in our history，China is an isolated civilization for thousands of years at the far side of the world，we were not very good at communicating with others，nor did we feel the need to，until less than 200 years ago. We were just minding our own business without a single care for rest of the world，till the “isolation” became one of our identity. So many people mistake that for political reasons，but in fact，it‘s cultural and civilizational. We just enjoy being isolated，to a degree.

So things won’t loosen up eventually，on the contrary，censorship will stay and become stronger in the future，when the nationals are getting richer and growing more confidence，China will be more isolated.

We should be confident in our own values, and publicly criticise those so-called liberals. I'm just wondering why there are so many hilarious one in Weibo posting hilarious comments. I guess those Democrats are hired by Chinese government to deliberately make funny comments.

No. This is the same kind of dress I saw, except the colours were in red . I was pleasantly surprised to see it

But nevertheless I want to see the rural life of China if I get a chance again



Really? Amazing indeed. I mean in Tamil Nadu, even during important days offices, universities allows guys and girls in traditional wear and the dressing have mostly remained the same as long as I know the history of Tamil Nadu (and south Indian states) in general

If u see those in a tourist village, no surprise.
My mother payed 20 yuan to rent one to take pictures.
NEVER in my life have I seen a Chinese wearing traditional wears in daily life.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

We should be confident in our own values, and publicly criticise those so-called liberals. I'm just wondering why there are so many hilarious one in Weibo posting hilarious comments. I guess those Democrats are hired by Chinese government to deliberately make funny comments.


If u see those in a tourist village, no surprise.
My mother payed 20 yuan to rent one to take pictures.

No one wears it anymore even during festivals like CHinese new ear or Qing Ming festival?

 

[AndrewJin]

No one wears it anymore even during festivals like CHinese new ear or Qing Ming festival?

The core value of traditional festivals is not to show their traditional clothes. Qing Ming and Chinese new year are all about going home in chaotic travel rush.
But there are some organisations to promote it.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The core value of traditional festivals is not to show their traditional clothes. Qing Ming and Chinese new year are all about going home in chaotic travel rush.
But there are some organisations to promote it.

But I am not asking about Values my friend. Every ancient civilisation has values, which now modern narrow minded individuals fail to grasp.
The Chinese noodles? Are they very old dishes /?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

We should be confident in our own values, and publicly criticise those so-called liberals. I'm just wondering why there are so many hilarious one in Weibo posting hilarious comments. I guess those Democrats are hired by Chinese government to deliberately make funny comments.

Foreign influence，infiltrated NGOs，and “fifty cents”hired by CIA，they are everywhere，they even invented “posting bots” run by AI to save the fifty cents lol.
I guess sometimes a short comment is even more powerful than a long article for brainwashing thesedays

 

[Jlaw]

Foreign influence，infiltrated NGOs，and “fifty cents”hired by CIA，they are everywhere，they even invented “posting bots” run by AI to save the fifty cents lol.
I guess sometimes a short comment is even more powerful than a long article for brainwashing thesedays

Maybe Chinese government should invest in real 50cent people and post good things to counter these guys.

 

[AndrewJin]

But I am not asking about Values my friend. Every ancient civilisation has values, which now modern narrow minded individuals fail to grasp.
The Chinese noodles? Are they very old dishes /?

Chinese are really pragmatic. If ten years later wearing Chinese traditional wears becomes pragmatic, they will do it. No matter what I wear(I am now traveling in Central China), I am very conservative about Chinese culture. No matter how modern Kunshan is, people there are still obeying the old Confucius values. And tomorrow I will take a coach on the super modern expressway from a small village to the provincial capital where I will transfer to HSR back home. Still, no matter how modern my life is, I adhere to traditional values, not communist values or western values.
And modern=western?