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Teaching ‘Western Values’ in China

By DANIEL A. BELL APRIL 16, 2015

BEIJING — Nobody is surprised that the Chinese government curbs “Western-style” civil and political liberties. But it may be news to some people that the government has recently called for the strengthening of Marxist ideology in universities and a ban on “teaching materials that disseminate Western values in our classrooms.” On the face of it, such regulations are absurd. It would mean banning not just the ideas of John Stuart Mill and John Rawls, but also those of such thinkers as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.

Pronouncements against the influence of Western values contradict what’s really happening in higher education in China. There have been recurrent campaigns against foreign interference since the 1980s, and yet the trend has been consistent: more international links with Western universities, more meritocracy and less political ideology in the selection and promotion of professors, and experimentation with different modes of liberal arts education.

Of course, the government could reverse these trends, but the nation’s leaders know full well that a modern educational system needs to learn as much as it can from abroad.

In my case, I’ve been teaching political theory at Tsinghua University — one of the country’s top universities — for more than a decade, and I continue to be pleasantly surprised by the amount of freedom in the classroom.

I routinely discuss politically sensitive topics and much of what I teach would fall in the “prohibited” category if official warnings were enforced to the letter. This term we’re reading Francis Fukuyama’s works, starting with his famous 1989 article that declared the debates about political ideology ended with the triumph of liberal democracy. Students say what’s on their minds, as they would in any Western university.

I try to present the ideas of great political theorists in the best possible light, and let students debate their merits among themselves. If it’s a class on Mill’s “On Liberty,” I’ll try to make the best possible case for the freedom of speech, and in a class on Confucius’s “Analects,” I’ll do the same for the value of harmony. I invite leading thinkers from China and the West to give guest lectures, whatever their political outlooks. The good news is that my classrooms have been almost completely free from political interference.

The one exception happened shortly after I arrived in Beijing in 2004. I wanted to teach a course on Marxism but was told it would not be advisable because my interpretation may differ from official ideology. Human rights and democracy are fine, but not Marxism. I learned to get around that constraint by teaching the material without putting the word “Marxist” in the course title.

Research is more challenging. I can publish books and articles in English without any interference. When my writings are translated into Chinese, however, the censors do their work.

An earlier book on the rise of political Confucianism was due to be published in 2008, but I was told it couldn’t go to press because of the Olympics: Nothing remotely critical about contemporary politics in China could be published when the whole world was watching the country. In 2009, the 60th anniversary of the founding of modern China made it another “sensitive” year. In early 2010, the upcoming World Expo in Shanghai provided an excuse for delay. To my surprise, my book was indeed published during a brief period of politically “not-so-sensitive” time in the autumn of 2010.

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Lately, the censorship regime has intensified. This time, the main reason is President Xi Jinping’s anticorruption campaign, which produces real enemies with a strong motivation to undermine the current leadership. Hence, even more curbs than usual on political publications, no matter how academic.

I’ve ordered books on Amazon that have been confiscated at the border. I’ve long needed a virtual private network to access The New York Times and Google Scholar, but censors have been disrupting the use of V.P.N.s. My tech-savvy students help me to get around the restrictions, but it’s a cat-and-mouse game and the cat is getting smarter. My mood varies almost directly with the ease of Internet access, and lately I’ve often been in a foul mood.

Ironically, I had a particularly hard time accessing sources for a new book that is a largely positive account of the principles underlying the Chinese political system. I had to leave the country for several months to access works on the Internet and banned books in English and Chinese necessary to make my case.

It’s worth asking why I continue to work in an academic environment with such constraints. Half of my family is Chinese, and I have special affection for the place. It helps to have great students and colleagues. Mr. Fukuyama’s “end of history” thesis put his finger on another key reason: A world where nobody argues about political ideals may be peaceful, but it’s boring. China is not boring.

Chinese-style democratic meritocracy is the only viable alternative to liberal democracy, and I have front row seats to China’s experiment. What else could a political theorist ask for?

That said, I am in favor of free speech in universities. And my views are widely shared in Chinese academia: Whatever people say in public, I haven’t met a single Chinese intellectual — socialist, liberal or Confucian — who argues in private discussion for censorship of scholarly works. Censorship only serves to alienate intellectuals.

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My own students usually say that political reform should take place on the basis of the current political system, not against it. But the more they are prevented from discussing such views, the more disenchanted they will become, and that spells trouble for the long term. Openness, in my view, can only benefit the system.

I am confident that things will loosen up eventually. I confess, however, I was even more confident 10 years ago.

Daniel A. Bell is chair professor of the Schwarzman Scholars program at Tsinghua University in Beijing. His latest book is “The China Model: Political Meritocracy and the Limits of Democracy.”
 
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What do you think?

Personally, I also am in a University and am in touch with some Chinese students, and their views resonate. They want the system to be fair, decrease in censorship and control, but within the system. They are fiercely nationalistic, but not necessarily agree with the CPC about the censorship issues. They think it only decreases China's credibility.

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@Yizhi @AndrewJin @Edison Chen @Shotgunner51 @ChineseTiger1986 @Chinese-Dragon @Huaren

What do you think?

Personally, I also am in a University and am in touch with some Chinese students, and their views resonate. They want the system to be fair, decrease in censorship and control, but within the system. They are fiercely nationalistic, but not necessarily agree with the CPC about the censorship issues. They think it only decreases China's credibility.

@cnleio @cirr @Raphael

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/o...tm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&_r=0
Why do Chinese students go to India? I can never understand their decisions.
 
Anonymity?
I am now questioning are you a real Indian?

Yes, I am. But of course I want to retain a bit of anonymity. I will disclose myself when I feel comfortable.

Coming to topic, why shouldn't academia be free?
One thing that I find odd is that low intellect people telling people as fine as the ones in Tsinghua, about the limits of discussion and thinking.
 
Yes, I am. But of course I want to retain a bit of anonymity. I will disclose myself when I feel comfortable.

Coming to topic, why shouldn't academia be free?
One thing that I find odd is that low intellect people telling people as fine as the ones in Tsinghua, about the limits of discussion and thinking.
Not interested in your topic and I personally dislike any those so-called liberals in Weibo. I just know most Chinese don't care a little about your topic and all they hear is just how your ideal ideology sucks in every developing countries. If u wanna know a real China, at least learn Chinese and stop generalising viewpoints from those Chinese who can speak English, including members here. And then entre a forum to see how Chinese think. Don't get upset about their comments about those topics you like, such as immigration, etc...
 
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Not interested in your topic and I personally dislike any those so-called liberals in Weibo. I just know most Chinese don't care a little about your topic and all they hear is just how your ideal ideology sucks in every developing countries.

I have no ideology!

Seriously, I have none! Rather, even CCP has some ideology as in socialism and Marxism. I personally don't believe in any ideology. I am the core pragmatist, utilitarian, realist. That is the only ideology, if it can be considered one.

Also, I am a vehement defender of many aspects of China. I like many meritocratic aspects of your system.

I also think that democracy at the earlier stages of development can be obstacle in development.

Rather, it is you who are ideological, as in "I won't allow any 'western' values in my country." I am all for having anything as long as it works. I think academic freedom is really important for academics to do their work, and most importantly to earn their trust.

Having intellectual capital is different from having them behind you. This was one of the reasons Hitler lost in WW2. Germany had by far the best intellectual capital in the world, with their physicists arguably being better than the rest of the world combined. Yet, the Nazis, didn't take them in confidence. The intellectuals didn't like Nazi actions, and started fleeing. The ones who didn't weren't much motivated at all. While in the US, you had such a massive influx of intellectual capital from Europe, who were determined to defeat Nazis.
 
I have no ideology!

Seriously, I have none! Rather, even CCP has some ideology as in socialism and Marxism. I personally don't believe in any ideology. I am the core pragmatist, utilitarian, realist. That is the only ideology, if it can be considered one.

Also, I am a vehement defender of many aspects of China. I like many meritocratic aspects of your system.

I also think that democracy at the earlier stages of development can be obstacle in development.

Rather, it is you who are ideological, as in "I won't allow any 'western' values in my country." I am all for having anything as long as it works. I think academic freedom is really important for academics to do their work, and most importantly to earn their trust.

Having intellectual capital is different from having them behind you. This was one of the reasons Hitler lost in WW2. Germany had by far the best intellectual capital in the world, with their physicists arguably being better than the rest of the world combined. Yet, the Nazis, didn't take them in confidence. The intellectuals didn't like Nazi actions, and started fleeing. The ones who didn't weren't much motivated at all. While in the US, you had such a massive influx of intellectual capital from Europe, who were determined to defeat Nazis.
Academics in what sector, pls elaborate.
I don't like "real" communism. I only support a system which embraces our "old" values. Just have a look at how those terrible values erode the academia in China, I think the current administration has done too little to stop this tendency from dragging China into a chaotic developing country.
 
Academics in what sector, pls elaborate.
I don't like "real" communism. I only support a system which embraces our "old" values. Just have a look at how those terrible values erode the academia in China, I think the current administration has done too little to stop this tendency from dragging China into a chaotic developing country.

For example, just see the guy here being stopped from publishing works or being censored. These things really upset the academic involved in numerous ways.

Also, you can't really go back to your "old" ways. You will have to forge a new path, based on combined human learning both of past and future, and from all over the world.
 
For example, just see the guy here being stopped from publishing works or being censored. These things really upset the academic involved in numerous ways.

Also, you can't really go back to your "old" ways. You will have to forge a new path, based on combined human learning both of past and future, and from all over the world.
Again, pls elaborate which sector.
"Old" doesn't mean out-dated and I also welcome those values which can be integrated into our own ideology. Some countries have totally abandoned their own things and now are one of the worst countries around the world.

And I also want to know after how many threads will u return back to "immigration" again. Your topics seem like a circle.
 
Again, pls elaborate which sector.
"Old" doesn't mean out-dated and I also welcome those values which can be integrated into our own ideology. Some countries have totally abandoned their own things and now are one of the worst countries around the world.

Let's say Science. While admittedly Science may not be impacted to any major degree because science isn't censored, yet, Scientists are humans after all. The general environment of censorship of news, social channels doesn't sit well with most people. The biggest thing that will bug them is, that why should a 50k yuan officer decide what I can speak and publish, when he is not near me in any sense of intellect.

I'm not saying you should have blanket freedom of speech. But, there should be minimum clear rules. Right now, censorship is quite random, and the rules aren't clear. The laws are so broad based that anyone can be arrested for the so called crime of "disrupting public order."

Again, it is about the quality of life. It doesn't impact a scientists life directly, but indirectly most scientists aren't for random censorship, especially when it is used to help the Government white wash its flaws. Like when there is corruption, or related to some events etc.

Also, for subjects like Political Science and History and Literature, such censorship affects ones work directly.
 
Let's say Science. While admittedly Science may not be impacted to any major degree because science isn't censored, yet, Scientists are humans after all. The general environment of censorship of news, social channels doesn't sit well with most people. The biggest thing that will bug them is, that why should a 50k yuan officer decide what I can speak and publish, when he is not near me in any sense of intellect.

I'm not saying you should have blanket freedom of speech. But, there should be minimum clear rules. Right now, censorship is quite random, and the rules aren't clear. The laws are so broad based that anyone can be arrested for the so called crime of "disrupting public order."

Again, it is about the quality of life. It doesn't impact a scientists life directly, but indirectly most scientists aren't for random censorship, especially when it is used to help the Government white wash its flaws. Like when there is corruption, or related to some events etc.

Also, for subjects like Political Science and History and Literature, such censorship affects ones work directly.
I don't know what your are talking about. Science and life of scientists...
Your logics is just....beyond my comprehension, forgive our low IQ compared to Indians.
Again, on which day in April will you return to IMMIGRATION? Next time in all these old topics you have posted again and again, pls don't tag me. Have some time in your own stuff, like India's export of Q1, air pollution, monthly railway accidents, public health, lack of electricity, etc. It's good for India.
https://defence.pk/threads/“dear-president-how-can-we-help-your-country-”-aiib.369354/
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I don't know what your are talking about. Science and life of scientists...
Your logics is just....beyond my comprehension, forgive our low IQ compared to Indians.
Again, on which day in April will you return to IMMIGRATION?

Well...

You haven't really raised any valid objections to my point apart from petty ad-hominem attacks.
I expect substantive arguments and objections from you.
 
I don't know what your are talking about. Science and life of scientists...
Your logics is just....beyond my comprehension, forgive our low IQ compared to Indians.
Again, on which day in April will you return to IMMIGRATION? Next time in all these old topics you have posted again and again, pls don't tag me. Have some time in your own stuff, like India's export of Q1, monthly railway accidents, etc. It's good for India.
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Best to ignore him whatever he is.

He will probably jump to immigration having had enough from questioning CCP's legitimacy.

In the meantime, Indian democracy continues to remain corrupt, nepotist, inefficient and discriminatory.
 

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