Tall claims and jibes: Modi's 3-nation tour showed weakness, not strength

[Jaat Rock]

MMRCA deal is scrapped is the best thing happened, the price of deal reached $20+ billion because of lazyness from previous Indian government. Modi's decision of buying only 36 Rafale jets and investing money in 5th Generation aircraft with Russia and Tejas is excellent from my point of view.
The articles headline was about 3 nation tour weakness and its about not even properly related to it.

 

[dray]

yeah, more BS don't make the original BS you have written and less BSy. Don't tell anyone in the AF that you're comparing Rafale Af wiith FGFA AF, they'll laugh . And you just decided to mixup the figher classes on your own . You're suggesting a point defence fighter with low loitering time to replace a medium class fighter? Other a deep penetration and strike fighter with a medium role fighter. Man the stuff you need to cook up to defend these is just AMAZING . And like I said, all fighters in the competition are more than 15 years old.

From the other thread:

It is difficult to figure out what you are trying to say among the tons of "BS"s that you have written in your post, most likely from the dearth of logic that you might be facing right now. However, you didn't explain why we should not compare the Rafale with FGFA when they were supposed to come at a similar time frame and at a similar price point? Is there anything that is lacking in FGFA? Or is it the more advanced one? I would request you to focus and come up with some credible logic.

I will on Monday for sure

Why? Today is a bad day?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

From the other thread:

It is difficult to figure out what you are trying to say among the tons of "BS"s that you have written in your post, most likely from the dearth of logic that you might be facing right now. However, you didn't explain why we should not compare the Rafale with FGFA when they were supposed to come at a similar time frame and at a similar price point? Is there anything that is lacking in FGFA? Or is it the more advanced one? I would request you to focus and come up with some credible logic.



Why? Today is a bad day?

God you have no freakng clue about what you're talking about do you? You CAN'T USE A HEAVY FGHTER FOR A MEDIUM/ LIGHT ROLE or vice versa. Heavy is not just weight, it's range carriage capacity and avionics. You build an entire AF out of heavy fighters your costs will go through the roof. Not just in purchase price but also operationally- fuel and maintainence wise. Plus, FGFA is strategic asset designed for deep offensive strikes, not the kind of muti-role medium attacks that MMRCA performs. Did we use Su 30 in Kargiil? No. We used Mirages mostly, which is the kind of role we want to fulfill. Your posts are just incredibly ignorant of any understanding of this.

 

[Levina]

Bhakt. @Guynextdoor2 bash her please.

Lol
Am sure unlike you @Guynextdoor2 did not miss the word "Indira Gandhi" in my post.

 

[dray]

God you have no freakng clue about what you're talking about do you? You CAN'T USE A HEAVY FGHTER FOR A MEDIUM/ LIGHT ROLE or vice versa. Heavy is not just weight, it's range carriage capacity and avionics. You build an entire AF out of heavy fighters your costs will go through the roof. Not just in purchase price but also operationally- fuel and maintainence wise. Plus, FGFA is strategic asset designed for deep offensive strikes, not the kind of muti-role medium attacks that MMRCA performs. Did we use Su 30 in Kargiil? No. We used Mirages mostly, which is the kind of role we want to fulfill. Your posts are just incredibly ignorant of any understanding of this.

Again, you didn't compare the cost of purchase, cost of operation, cost of maintenance, and capabilities of Rafale and FGFA. Do that, and then try to answer in a cohesive manner.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

@Guynextdoor2 Modi should not have attacked the previous govt of India in foreign soil for sure. Thats one mistake he have committed in this tour.

Instead he should have claimed that new govt is looked positively than in the past. Wrong choice of words.

Second Kindly dont bring the Rafale deal. For the sake of Make in India we cannot leave the Indian skies unprotected. Just for the sake of attacking modi, dont bring this deal in. In fact it is one of the best decisions taken by the govt.

Third there is a difference in creating 24 crore accounts on 7 years and 14 crore accounts in 8 months. Even Chidambaram who is good talented minister, opposed food bill, formation of Mountain strike corps cos there was no money. But did Sonia, Rahul pay heed to his words? ??

We signed the Uranium deal with Canada, Rafale with France. Only German visit wasnt big bang announcements. Its a average trip, if u ask me neutraly.

 

[Nicky G]

@Guynextdoor2 Modi should not have attacked the previous govt of India in foreign soil for sure. Thats one mistake he have committed in this tour.

Instead he should have claimed that new govt is looked positively than in the past. Wrong choice of words.

Second Kindly dont bring the Rafale deal. For the sake of Make in India we cannot leave the Indian skies unprotected. Just for the sake of attacking modi, dont bring this deal in. In fact it is one of the best decisions taken by the govt.

Third there is a difference in creating 24 crore accounts on 7 years and 14 crore accounts in 8 months. Even Chidambaram who is good talented minister, opposed food bill, formation of Mountain strike corps cos there was no money. But did Sonia, Rahul pay heed to his words? ??

We signed the Uranium deal with Canada, Rafale with France. Only German visit wasnt big bang announcements. Its a average trip, if u ask me neutraly.

Why, when the actions of the previous government did so much damage to the country, should they not be attacked? Why should looting of a previous government be defended? Why should there inaction which put the country at grave risk not be criticized?

Is an Indian PM not expected to attack the emergency or the person responsible for it? Should US presidents not attack slavery or segregation? Should British PM not deplore colonialism?

Note, this is an analogy and not a comparison.

Tactically too it makes sense, since Western slaves that Congis are, feel the pinch much more when the criticism is done in western shores or via a western publication.

Now see the morons react by sending a Congi leader to rebut the PM words. Who is their right mind would pay any attention to a Congi nobody abroad?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Why, when the actions of the previous government did so much damage to the country, should they not be attacked? Why should looting of a previous government be defended? Why should there inaction which put the country at grave risk not be criticized?

Is an Indian PM not expected to attack the emergency or the person responsible for it? Should US presidents not attack slavery or segregation? Should British PM not deplore colonialism?

Note, this is an analogy and not a comparison.

Tactically too it makes sense, since Western slaves that Congis are, feel the pinch much more when the criticism is done in western shores or via a western publication.

Now see the morons react by sending a Congi leader to rebut the PM words. Who is their right mind would pay any attention to a Congi nobody abroad?

Attack in India . Not in foreign shores.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Modi should not have attacked the previous govt of India in foreign soil for sure. Thats one mistake he have committed in this tour.

Instead he should have claimed that new govt is looked positively than in the past. Wrong choice of words.

He did not attack the previous Governments. The previous ones included one BJP Government. It is a fact that previously we were the kings of Scam. His honest admission of the fact will help us salvage some lost confidence among the foreign investors. To stress upon the change that has taken place, a comparison with 'what was' was necessary. It was a very good play of words, such 'candid' impression leaves its mark. Of course, it is damaging for the Congress, but India is already infamous for corruption. So the acceptance of the fact is a good sign and might show that the first step to resolving it is already being taken - that of recognizing it.

Plus, FGFA is strategic asset designed for deep offensive strikes

WTF did I read here!!!

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

He did not attack the previous Governments. The previous ones included one BJP Government. It is a fact that previously we were the kings of Scam. His honest admission of the fact will help us salvage some lost confidence among the foreign investors. To stress upon the change that has taken place, a comparison with 'what was' was necessary. It was a very good play of words, such 'candid' impression leaves its mark. Of course, it is damaging for the Congress, but India is already infamous for corruption. So the acceptance of the fact is a good sign and might show that the first step to resolving it is already being taken - that of recognizing it.


WTF did I read here!!!

No. I didnt have a problem with his statement regarding "scams" and "skills". But had mixed feelings regarding statements " he s clearing mess left by previous govt " in foreign land.

He explicitly mentioned previous govt of India.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No. I didnt have a problem with his statement regarding "scams" and "skills". But had mixed feelings regarding statements " he s clearing mess left by previous govt " in foreign land.

He explicitly mentioned previous govt of India.

That is to win credibility - it's called owning up. Business folks love that. Fk up then meet your clients - if you can accept your issue, you may have a good chance. I know as a PM, it hurts the ego that he has to pander to foreign businesses but that is what he needs to do - without emotion and concern for empty self respect. We have too many mouths to feed.
His speeches are carefully crafted, I am sure there is more to it than meets the eye. The results are positive, so what happened must have been needed. It's not that he said that 'Hindus are the biggest threat to India's internal security'(Owl Baba).

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

That is to win credibility - it's called owning up. Business folks love that. Fk up then meet your clients - if you can accept your issue, you may have a good chance. I know as a PM, it hurts the ego that he has to pander to foreign businesses but that is what he needs to do - without emotion and concern for empty self respect. We have too many mouths to feed.
His speeches are carefully crafted, I am sure there is more to it than meets the eye. The results are positive, so what happened must have been needed. It's not that he said that 'Hindus are the biggest threat to India's internal security'(Owl Baba).

But that aint diplomacy buddy. We need to create a positive view. Its not like BJP will be ruling always. Maybe 10 years down the line, Congress will come back to power, and badmouth BJP and previous govt in foreign land? It doesnt look good

Its a cycle which must not be followed. Thats my point of view.

 

[Nicky G]

Attack in India . Not in foreign shores.

Everyone attacks from home turf, that's so mundane. In the context of owning up to mistakes of previous government and demonstrating that the current one is working to fix them, its a smart move.

The comically immature Congi reaction only lends greater credibility to this being a smart political move.

 

[Manindra]

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[SarthakGanguly]

But that aint diplomacy buddy. We need to create a positive view. Its not like BJP will be ruling always. Maybe 10 years down the line, Congress will come back to power, and badmouth BJP and previous govt in foreign land? It doesnt look good

Its a cycle which must not be followed. Thats my point of view.

True. BJP won't be ruling for ever.