Taliban kill 15 in attack on Afghan security checkpoint: local officials

[H. Dawary]

This unification thing is not as simple as it sounds..Do you think your other neighbors esp. Iran wont try to incorporate their farsiban brothers..Then there are Uzbeks and Turkmen. BTW most of the farsivan people i have met are not as religious as Pashtuns so im not sure how much they agree with your thought of getting together under religion.

The solution for your people lies in what your neighbors decide collectively on, else we will see another destabilization wave like 90s when there was a proxy war between Pakistan and Iran in Afghanistan.

If Afghanistan tomorrow decides they dont want to stay together or merge with a certain nation it will need some sort of mechanism unless you think someone would just capture kabul/kandhar and declare allegiance with a certain country.

Pakistan and Afghanistan can agree on common terms and put back their pakistaniyat /afghaniyat for peaceful coexistence , this can happen as a joint union like England and Scotland..but .the fence will stay in between till the danger remains.secondly think what countries wont like it, certainly the US camp/Europe wont , that gives space to Russians and Chinese to endorse such a 'unification' but if you refuse to endorse even the Russians/Chinese , they will join hands with US and make sure you fail..they wouldnt tolerate a new power center in the region like Erdogans Turkey...the difference is Turkey is a second world industrialized nation and Pakistan is third world..

This is by far the most logical and reasonable approach I've read. Afghanistan will be independent not just from the fence but simply because that's the nature of the country due to the Mountains. This approach is possible. This however is not something that will happen overnight, it will take decades upon decades until it is in the mind and interests of the people, I can see it happening if there is a war with Hindustan and the Afghanistan stands with Pakistan.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

This is by far the most logical and reasonable approach I've read. Afghanistan will be independent not just from the fence but simply because that's the nature of the country due to the Mountains. This approach is possible. This however is not something that will happen overnight, it will take decades upon decades until it is in the mind and interests of the people, I can see it happening if there is a war with Hindustan and the Afghanistan stands with Pakistan.

Im assuming you were raised up in Canada otherwise most people in Afghanistan are subjected to media and lies making them believe we are a british conspiracy against them that took away their land.. the children being raised up in Afghanistan see too much hate towards Pakistan esp. Punjabis to even think about an idea of unification. Thats why there is no movement in Afghanistan or Pakistan for such a cause but there is a movement their to unify pashtun lands endorsed by Ghani.

 

[undercover JIX]

@Adios Amigo @Dubious @waz Please move this thread to Afghanistan section. Thanks

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

If Afghanistan is a country, then mosquitoes are also birds !

That is the cultural that as emerged with the combination of all the cultures that are found in Pakistan. From what we eat to what we wear is all a fusion of all the cultures. Islam didnt make Afghanistan, russia and Britain did. Islam also didnt make Pakistan. The love of Pakistanis for islam, made the second country in the world to be created for islam. After the one our prophet made

 

[Dubious]

If Afghanistan is a country, then mosquitoes are also birds !

Ok dont be so harsh now...We are trying to make a deal happen not break it!

I mean a good deal is beneficial for peace on 1 side of the border!

 

[Old School]

Ok dont be so harsh now...We are trying to make a deal happen not break it!

I mean a good deal is beneficial for peace on 1 side of the border!

Good deal is always good and no deal is better than a bad deal. We need to apply both carrots and sticks to make a good deal with Afghanistan. British tried with a buffer state which later turned into a failed state. If long history is any cue, no deal will work there without a provision of partition. The other parties will sabotage any deal at any cost which may benefit Pakistan. Nevertheless, nothing is stopping from hoping for an illusive deal.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

So, let's recap a little bit ... as retrospective gives a much clearer perspective... too much has happened and it has been action/reaction paradigm and in many cases lack of action, lack of people with vision or initiative. Democracy, perhaps even dictators betrayed Pakistan as well.
Either way, Afghanistan has been going through a power vacuum for as long as Pakistan came in to existence. We'll come back to that some other time... because more importantly their was a power vacuum when Soviets left and Pakistan(due to a very (un)timely death of someone who knew what's what) passed the buck, wringing hands, own shadows? Who knows... either way Afghanistan went into a civil war and again Pakistan dropped the ball... Talibs came and Pakistan let history take its course... they won(with some help) ... Afghanistan became an extension of FATA... a territory of sorts... again history came a knocking... power vacuum existed... someone had to cater to it ... someone came along... Pakistan catered and relinquished control... Pakistan lost control! ... Pakistan lost Afghanistan... and under the same leadership Pakistan lost Kashmir... both went to India without fighting a real war.

This is the status quo...

Enemy on both sides again... after Soviets left!?!
Someone dropped the ball...


Fast forward, power vacuum persists and will remain. Afghanistan will remain a powder keg ready to explode on whomsoever lights it up again. Will it take the reigns now? Is there someone at the helm? If Pakistan again relinquishes the reigns it will go down the drain again. A lot of Afghans and Pakistanis have died in past two decades and if I say so, needlessly!

 

[gangsta_rap]

If Afghanistan is a country, then mosquitoes are also birds ! Afghanistan never should have existed. British created their boundaries to deter the Russian and Persians from attacking colonial British India back in the days when the great game was on among Persia , Britain and Russia.

one day we will run out of friends and we will look the the afghans. it will happen

 

[Old School]

one day we will run out of friends and we will look the the afghans. it will happen

There is a thing. A state can not have friends for it to remain as independent. It can only build strategic partnerships based on national interests. If this axiom also applies to personal human relationship, that is an another interesting debate.