Taliban kill 15 in attack on Afghan security checkpoint: local officials

[H. Dawary]

Their main problem is they think we are a
-Punjabi Army
-British Agent
-Artificial/fake state to divide two big cultures
-last but not the least 'daalkhor' which reflects their ethnofascism.

None of which is true..and that has developed counter-hate which you see here on the forum, which i dont endorse.

It was not us who signed the treaty of Gandamak nor the treaty of Rawalpindi.Also at the same time we were not the soldiers back then fighting for British even though we had some in our Army like Ayub Khan who have over generations fought for british,WW2 and then joined Pakistan army but that is a fringe minority which faded over time and does not reflect the vast majority nor the state.

Fully agree, My nation has the same superiority complex as the Arabs. Also I don't understand why they want KPK? 95% of Pashtuns I've met say they are happy with Pakistan and chant Pakistan Zindabad, and these people are the major stakeholders of that area, now if they don't want to be part of Afghanistan, why this "Lar Ao Bar" nonsense?

And if we Afghans really want to unite along ethnic lines, then what about the Uzbek, Turkmen, and Tajik areas, that should be let go off, I don't see Tajiks chanting "Lar ao Bar yao Tajik" and that goes for the Uzbek and Turkmen groups, they all want a peaceful Afghanistan without war.

I don't want to see Afghanistan divided, and we are happy with this confederacy. This "Lar Ao Bar yao Afghan" issue is actually causing unrest in Afghanistan, as many ethnics are saying they are not "Afghan" (Pashtun). And although I am Afghan, I would like to see Afghanistan's name changed to "Khorasan" or "Aryana" through a national consensus after peace has come. Afghan (Pashtun)istan does not just belong to Pashtuns, it belongs to all who reside in Afghanistan, and sometimes its a shame to call a Tajik Afghan, when in reality he is not.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

No I will use the word of my own choosing . No matter what Cunts and b@stards like @Pakhtoon yum says, they will be always be Afghans , they hate Pakistan and Pakistani's so I hate them back, I am glad they are F'd by every Super power who invade them, send them back to those monkey times , once US leave they will once again start killing each other and producing Opium cause this is the best they can do .

That @Pakhtoon yum Chutiya doesn't even live in Pakistan and talk about us taking them in, but I am yet to see him taking any Afghans to Canada ? lol he was joined by another bigot from NL who loved to use multiple colors in his posts, than joined by a French dude, and appreciated by a Racists German/former Pakistan who think his race is some blessed or Martian ones . Afghans turn our own Pakhtoon into barbarians, see the Pathans who settled in Karachi Posh Areas, see the Baloch and Sindhi who spend time with Urdu speaking people ,you will see the visible difference in their life style and mentality . This @Pakhtoon yum i am sure is some Illegitimate child of some Russian soldier lol


by the way @Dubious before you issue me another warning , your beloved @Pakhtoon yum is tagging my name and abusing so my response is once again Justified to that Pakhtoon cunt .

@WebMaster @The Eagle @Arsalan take a look, this racist bastard has a mental illness. Even when I tried to ignore him he keeps trying to target all pakhtoons.

I am a Pakistani Pashtun. There is a day and night difference between an Afghan Pashtun and Pakistani Pashtun. Our language, behaviour, culture is different. Geography dictates this difference.

A Pakistani Pashtun loyal to Pakistan will never feel any commonality with Pashtun on the other side of the border. This is because we live in different environments. No disrespect to Afghan Pashtun, but we are different.

If an Afghan Pashtun lays claim on my land in Pakistan I am naturally going to resist his claims. Afghans have no say nor any claim to our land. They can piss off to opiumland and live in their own land.

As for commies and traitors on our side, we will deal with them just like we broke the neck of ANP during the elections. We know who PTM is. This group is a mix of disgruntled ANP members who identify themselves as Afghans and Afghan refugees. They cannot survive on our soil. Even if the Indians and Americans come to their aid, we will demolish them. We are in the majority, not the ANP or Afghan refugees.

Those are called kabuli and a pakhtoon is synonymous with afghan. Just because its Afghanistan doesnt make it the defacto home for Afghans.

Pakistan did not have control, but they did have influence, much like North Korea and China. However that influence is less now than it was before now that Taliban is being recognized as a power to be reckoned with by other nations like China, Russia, Iran. Pakistan still does have a large influence but its not as much it was before.



Through all that hate I actually agree with this post... I have an advice for this... Why not create a movement and get about 50,000 to 100,000 for a timed date where Pashtuns in KPK come to the border and have slogans that says "we don't believe in lar o bar", at least then my Afghan brothers get it so we can move past this issue.

Buddy we had boots on the ground before the invasion. The only reason why they couldn't land was cause of our soldiers resistance, until they were told to withdraw.

Pakistan did not have control, but they did have influence, much like North Korea and China. However that influence is less now than it was before now that Taliban is being recognized as a power to be reckoned with by other nations like China, Russia, Iran. Pakistan still does have a large influence but its not as much it was before.



Through all that hate I actually agree with this post... I have an advice for this... Why not create a movement and get about 50,000 to 100,000 for a timed date where Pashtuns in KPK come to the border and have slogans that says "we don't believe in lar o bar", at least then my Afghan brothers get it so we can move past this issue.

That happened when FATA defeated a kabuli army. Might want to go read about that.

 

[YeBeWarned]

take a look, this racist bastard has a mental illness. Even when I tried to ignore him he keeps trying to target all pakhtoons.

shut up you SOB, Mujhe tag na ker apne filthy posts mai . Mai tere jaisun ke mun nai lagna , tu apne kaam se kaam rakh Haram ki Paidawaar , mujhe tag nai kerna apne posts mai ..And you uneducated dumb idiot I am was talking About Afghans , not Pakistani Pakhtoons .

@waz could you please warn this guy stop tagging my names in his posts, I ignored him and yet he is tagging , provoking me to respond .

 

[H. Dawary]

@WebMaster @The Eagle @Arsalan take a look, this racist bastard has a mental illness. Even when I tried to ignore him he keeps trying to target all pakhtoons.


Those are called kabuli and a pakhtoon is synonymous with afghan. Just because its Afghanistan doesnt make it the defacto home for Afghans.


Buddy we had boots on the ground before the invasion. The only reason why they couldn't land was cause of our soldiers resistance, until they were told to withdraw.


That happened when FATA defeated a kabuli army. Might want to go read about that.

I know all about it my brother.

Since you’re pakhtoon I will share this with you...

Afghanistan is tribalitic... now you’re probably asking “yea so what”. Here I’ll share with you a secret.

For example, I belong to the Alizai tribe, which is a Durrani tribe, however I am from a sub-tribe. “You are probably thinking so what” and I will explain to you.

Afghanistan is in war between tribes. And because we are so tribalic we will only accept that’s ours as a leader.

I personally am half Tajik half Pashtun, which means I will never be a leader of Afghanistan. I have to belong to the main tribe, I belong the sub tribe, and I am also part Tajik.

ISI understood this, which is why they installed Mullah Omar, who belonged to the Ghilzai main tribe. However, the Durranis (the tribe I am from) wanted to eliminate him but couldn’t because of ISI who had his back.

This is what Afghanistan really is since the time of Alexander, a dispute between tribes who wish to rule.

This is also the reason why a Pakistani Pashtun is not a leader of any talon group within Afghanistan.

If Pakistan truly wanted to rule Afghanistan then they could’ve installed a Pakistani Pashtun, but the reality is they can’t because the tribes would rather accept a Tajik from Afghanistan than a Pakistani Pashtun, in other words they would eat him alive.

This is how Afghanistan truly functions, and only Afghans and the ISI know this. I personally find it backwards, but at the same time it is our greatest weaknesses and greatest strength. This is the reason why Alexander had to marry an Afghan tribal leaders daughter to defeat the other tribes, as well as the reason why Mongols would never come up the mountains, and why the British were largely unsuccessful in Afghanistan.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

shut up you SOB, Mujhe tag na ker apne filthy posts mai . Mai tere jaisun ke mun nai lagna , tu apne kaam se kaam rakh Haram ki Paidawaar , mujhe tag nai kerna apne posts mai ..And you uneducated dumb idiot I am was talking About Afghans , not Pakistani Pakhtoons .

@waz could you please warn this guy stop tagging my names in his posts, I ignored him and yet he is tagging , provoking me to respond .

You have a mental issue. Targeting all Afghans and then refusing to acknowledge the difference between kabuli and Afghans. Your comments are deliberately targeting all pakhtoons. Racist scum

You uneducated dumb sh$t, pakhtoon is synonymous to afghan. Seems it's your racist head that needs education. Pakistan is for us and those that live in peace. If racist scum like you have an issues then gtfo. The less trash in the country the better.

@waz @The Eagle I had told you of his bigotry

I know all about it my brother.

Since you’re pakhtoon I will share this with you...

Afghanistan is tribalitic... now you’re probably asking “yea so what”. Here I’ll share with you a secret.

For example, I belong to the Alizai tribe, which is a Durrani tribe, however I am from a sub-tribe. “You are probably thinking so what” and I will explain to you.

Afghanistan is in war between tribes. And because we are so tribalic we will only accept that’s ours as a leader.

I personally am half Tajik half Pashtun, which means I will never be a leader of Afghanistan. I have to belong to the main tribe, I belong the sub tribe, and I am also part Tajik.

ISI understood this, which is why they installed Mullah Omar, who belonged to the Ghilzai main tribe. However, the Durranis (the tribe I am from) wanted to eliminate him but couldn’t because of ISI who had his back.

This is what Afghanistan really is since the time of Alexander, a dispute between tribes who wish to rule.

This is also the reason why a Pakistani Pashtun is not a leader of any talon group within Afghanistan.

If Pakistan truly wanted to rule Afghanistan then they could’ve installed a Pakistani Pashtun, but the reality is they can’t because the tribes would rather accept a Tajik from Afghanistan than a Pakistani Pashtun, in other words they would eat him alive.

This is how Afghanistan truly functions, and only Afghans and the ISI know this. I personally find it backwards, but at the same time it is our greatest weaknesses and greatest strength. This is the reason why Alexander had to marry an Afghan tribal leaders daughter to defeat the other tribes, as well as the reason why Mongols would never come up the mountains, and why the British were largely unsuccessful in Afghanistan.

Yes, I understand. All of Pakistan was also tribes from pakhtoons to punjabis and everything in between. The fact that we let go and became a part of something bigger is proof that its possible. It will take time for them to get over this but for that they need to be under a large multi ethic army and a multi ethic government. Which is not happening if its left alone to it's own whims.

 

[H. Dawary]

You have a mental issue. Targeting all Afghans and then refusing to acknowledge the difference between kabuli and Afghans. Your comments are deliberately targeting all pakhtoons. Racist scum

You uneducated dumb sh$t, pakhtoon is synonymous to afghan. Seems it's your racist head that needs education. Pakistan is for us and those that live in peace. If racist scum like you have an issues then gtfo. The less trash in the country the better.

@waz @The Eagle I had told you of his bigotry


Yes, I understand. All of Pakistan was also tribes from pakhtoons to punjabis and everything in between. The fact that we let go and became a part of something bigger is proof that its possible. It will take time for them to get over this but for that they need to be under a large multi ethic army and a multi ethic government. Which is not happening if its left alone to it's own whims.

This I agree with you. If both our nations unite, not only will Pakhtoon become a majority, but all this tribalism will in time be put to rest, and the focus will be on Islam, which is why I so desperately want this unification to happen.

However it will be hard as many Pakistanis will resist as in the end Pukhtoons will gain more from this than the rest, however despite that, it will make the Muslim world more stronger, which is my main concern, as I don’t really care which group is strong, but rather that Islam becomes stronger.

 

[Ritual]

This I agree with you. If both our nations unite, not only will Pakhtoon become a majority, but all this tribalism will in time be put to rest, and the focus will be on Islam, which is why I so desperately want this unification to happen.

However it will be hard as many Pakistanis will resist as in the end Pukhtoons will gain more from this than the rest, however despite that, it will make the Muslim world more stronger, which is my main concern, as I don’t really care which group is strong, but rather that Islam becomes stronger.

Is there any genuine movement in Afghanistan for a unification with Pakistan, I mean like a peaceful federation type of arrangement- not any of this nonsense of forcibly taking land and Lar o bar.

Would there not be revolt among non Pashtuns in Afghanistan?

 

[H. Dawary]

Is there any genuine movement in Afghanistan for a unification with Pakistan, I mean like a peaceful federation type of arrangement- not any of this nonsense of forcibly taking land and Lar o bar.

Would there not be revolt among non Pashtuns in Afghanistan?

There will definitely be a revolt 100%. However, this revolt can be taken care of, first by good relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan, a Tajik leader presiding over Afghanistan, showing all Afghans that we are united. Despite all this it won’t be enough, there then has to be an Islamic reason, this is the major obstacle as both nations currently don’t have this.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

This I agree with you. If both our nations unite, not only will Pakhtoon become a majority, but all this tribalism will in time be put to rest, and the focus will be on Islam, which is why I so desperately want this unification to happen.

However it will be hard as many Pakistanis will resist as in the end Pukhtoons will gain more from this than the rest, however despite that, it will make the Muslim world more stronger, which is my main concern, as I don’t really care which group is strong, but rather that Islam becomes stronger.

Pakhtoons wont be the majority in any way. It's just that the populations of different groups that are already in Pakistan would increase. Otherwise their wont be such a massive demographic change as you have suggested.

Is there any genuine movement in Afghanistan for a unification with Pakistan, I mean like a peaceful federation type of arrangement- not any of this nonsense of forcibly taking land and Lar o bar.

Would there not be revolt among non Pashtuns in Afghanistan?

There was a bunch from our side but it was always the elits of kabul that would toss a bone into the plans.

There will definitely be a revolt 100%. However, this revolt can be taken care of, first by good relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan, a Tajik leader presiding over Afghanistan, showing all Afghans that we are united. Despite all this it won’t be enough, there then has to be an Islamic reason, this is the major obstacle as both nations currently don’t have this.

Their wont be any of they are all incorporated into Pakistaniat. Added into all the field from actors to soldiers with special quotas in place. Just like how Pakistan has now for all the small ethnicities

 

[Ritual]

There will definitely be a revolt 100%. However, this revolt can be taken care of, first by good relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan, a Tajik leader presiding over Afghanistan, showing all Afghans that we are united. Despite all this it won’t be enough, there then has to be an Islamic reason, this is the major obstacle as both nations currently don’t have this.

But surely many can see the economic and long term benefits. The current phase of ethno nationalism will come to an end when many in Afghanistan will realise the benefit of being in a larger more stable union, otherwise it will continue to be easy pickings for another century ahead.

 

[H. Dawary]

Their wont be any of they are all incorporated into Pakistaniat. Added into all the field from actors to soldiers with special quotas in place. Just like how Pakistan has now for all the small ethnicities

What is Pakistaniyat? I only know Islam, I don't know any Pakistaniyat or Afghaniyat. I only know Islam. Pakistan didn't make Islam, Islam made Pakistan. Just like how Islam made Afghanistan and the rest of the Muslim countries that are here today.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

What is Pakistaniyat? I only know Islam, I don't know any Pakistaniyat or Afghaniyat. I only know Islam. Pakistan didn't make Islam, Islam made Pakistan. Just like how Islam made Afghanistan and the rest of the Muslim countries that are here today.

This unification thing is not as simple as it sounds..Do you think your other neighbors esp. Iran wont try to incorporate their farsiban brothers..Then there are Uzbeks and Turkmen. BTW most of the farsivan people i have met are not as religious as Pashtuns so im not sure how much they agree with your thought of getting together under religion.

The solution for your people lies in what your neighbors decide collectively on, else we will see another destabilization wave like 90s when there was a proxy war between Pakistan and Iran in Afghanistan.

If Afghanistan tomorrow decides they dont want to stay together or merge with a certain nation it will need some sort of mechanism unless you think someone would just capture kabul/kandhar and declare allegiance with a certain country.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

What is Pakistaniyat? I only know Islam, I don't know any Pakistaniyat or Afghaniyat. I only know Islam. Pakistan didn't make Islam, Islam made Pakistan. Just like how Islam made Afghanistan and the rest of the Muslim countries that are here today.

That is the cultural that as emerged with the combination of all the cultures that are found in Pakistan. From what we eat to what we wear is all a fusion of all the cultures. Islam didnt make Afghanistan, russia and Britain did. Islam also didnt make Pakistan. The love of Pakistanis for islam, made the second country in the world to be created for islam. After the one our prophet made.

This unification thing is not as simple as it sounds..Do you think your other neighbors esp. Iran wont try to incorporate their farsiban brothers..Then there are Uzbeks and Turkmen. BTW most of the farsivan people i have met are not as religious as Pashtuns so im not sure how much they agree with your thought of getting together under religion.

The solution for your people lies in what your neighbors decide collectively on, else we will see another destabilization wave like 90s when there was a proxy war between Pakistan and Iran in Afghanistan.

If Afghanistan tomorrow decides they dont want to stay together or merge with a certain nation it will need some sort of mechanism unless you think someone would just capture kabul/kandhar and declare allegiance with a certain country.

Iran will stay in its place if it knows what's good for it or else all its faults are free for us to manipulate and bend that country's will. They realized that after their little joint venture with the indians last February.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

What is Pakistaniyat? I only know Islam, I don't know any Pakistaniyat or Afghaniyat. I only know Islam. Pakistan didn't make Islam, Islam made Pakistan. Just like how Islam made Afghanistan and the rest of the Muslim countries that are here today.

Pakistan and Afghanistan can agree on common terms and put back their pakistaniyat /afghaniyat for peaceful coexistence , this can happen as a joint union like England and Scotland..but .the fence will stay in between till the danger remains.secondly think what countries wont like it, certainly the US camp/Europe wont , that gives space to Russians and Chinese to endorse such a 'unification' but if you refuse to endorse even the Russians/Chinese , they will join hands with US and make sure you fail..they wouldnt tolerate a new power center in the region like Erdogans Turkey...the difference is Turkey is a second world industrialized nation and Pakistan is third world..

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Iran will stay in its place if it knows what's good for it or else all its faults are free for us to manipulate and bend that country's will. They realized that after their little joint venture with the indians last February.

Well thats what you think..Never forget there are many players in the region and this is heart of asia the fight is for..