- Apr 12, 2015
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Of course not..but trying so hard to associate yourself with a grouping that has almost completely different beliefs/values with you is not haram? Especially when they are not trying as hard to do the same with other islamic countries, isnt that weird?Trading ethical goods is not haram (medicine, tech, food) trading for e.g alcohol would be.
Maybe you was being ironic
I think it's fair to say most states use religion when it helps and discard it when it doesnt.Of course not..but trying so hard to associate yourself with a grouping that has almost completely different beliefs/values with you is not haram? Especially when they are not trying as hard to do the same with other islamic countries, isnt that weird?
Moreover, opening themselves up completely (free trade and free movement) with this group will also allow more Haram things to move even more freely into Turkey than it does already(alcohol, prostitution, western values of liberalism etc etc). So I don't get their point.
If its just because they know joining the West will make them move forward, develop and prosper better with the West then it makes sense. However, some have been trying to potray it as something else, which i think that's the point i was trying to make.
Going after the military for a coup against Turkey is one thing. Going after dissidents and free of speech is totally different. Kidnapping journalists over speech issues, often trumped up, is on the path to Russia and Putinism. In Russia, speak out and expose the corruption, and you are kidnapped. In Turkey, supporting minorities and you can get accused of things you never did. Both are totalitarian regimes.You know what Erdogan did after the coup? He started sacking and arresting anyone he didn't like,accusing them of being FETO. Tens of thousands of military. Can tens of thousands be involved in a coup? It's ridiculous.
Some Turkish military officers and I think police too,fled to Greece and asked for political asylum. The Turkish government since then,has been demanding that we hand them over. They insist that they are "terrorists". it's ridiculous.
Ah but here's the thing:Going after the military for a coup against Turkey is one thing.
The military did the coup. Typically those nations that are not aligned with Washington, especially in South America, have militaries that are used for coups against elected leaders. So I could care less about these elected leaders purging the entire ranks of the military that do not defend the elected leaders. Latin American leaders live in fear of their own military. Is that a democracy.?. Purge them.Ah but here's the thing:
Who really deserved to be arrested and imprisoned? The core of high-ranking officers who planned the coup? All the officers under them too? All the soldiers who were just following orders?
Because there's a lot of footage where Turkish civilians grab poor conscripts and beat them or pull them out of the tanks and armored vehicles. I think some were lynched too?
Then the scenes of the police arresting soldiers.
Tens of thousands of military were arrested after the coup. It was Erdogan's chance to get rid of anyone he didn't like.
Well first of all,Turkey has a history of coups and second a part of the military and the people were angry about Erdogan ruling for so long and finding excuses to change the constitution to stay in power even longer.The military did the coup. Typically those nations that are not aligned with Washington, especially in South America, have militaries that are used for coups against elected leaders. So I could care less about these elected leaders purging the entire ranks of the military that do not defend the elected leaders. Latin American leaders live in fear of their own military. Is that a democracy.?. Purge them.
Turkey is not a democracy because it attacks journalists and free speech. Going after the military, that is disloyal to elected officials and the constitution of that nation and loyal to foreign "governments", is democracy.
On Dec 18, 2001: Ahmed Agiza & Muhammad Alzery were two Egyptian asylum-seekers who were deported to Egypt from Sweden apparently following a request from the USA. The deportations were carried out by the US military personnel on Swedish ground, with Swedish servicemen apparently as passive onlookers. According to Prime Minister Göran Persson, the USA would put a trade embargo on the European Union, if did not let the Americans pick up Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery on Swedish soil.
Swedish PM & FM Anna Lindh had to choose between standing up for human rights and supporting trade relations with the US. They chose the latter in 2001 as they could not resist the pressure from NATO member. The two men were arrested on the Swedish streets & were driven to the airport within few hours & given over to a group of American & Egyptian personnel who flew them out of the country within minutes. No questions were asked! At that time, Sweden was not even trying to join NATO!
Today, the same Swedish state wants to join NATO, but is actively protecting and patronizing organizations that are actively engaged in terrorist activities with a country with which it will be allied.
On the one hand, there is the US, whatever they order, Sweden obeys unconditionally.
On the other side, there is their self-righteousness and inability of Sweden mindset, to accept Turkiye's much more legitimate and justified expectations. Once you get past blaberring of words and the pseudo-democratic posturing, all that remains is Sweden's pathetic behavior. With all due respect to the Swedish prime minister, no matter how much you cry, you will not be able to make any progress on this issue as long as you protecting terrorists.
This is the mentality I am talking about, please read the news below. When you get to the root of these behavioral tendencies, you mostly find an orientalist arrogance that is actually racist reflexes, contemptuous of the east and cannot stomach negotiating even the slightest legitimate demand on equal terms.Thats a solid argument, @A.P. Richelieu why acting hypocrite against us when America order you to do so?
In other hand Sweden is playing 3 monkey against Turkey, but if we look in ther hatred against real assylum seeker. They send them away, but when it comes to Pkk and Feto they loving them. Why are Fetp and Pkk welcome and other assylum seeker not?
Idris Hassan is an Iraqi Kurd. He arrived in Sicily in July 2022. Before that, he claims never to have been to Italy. He was living and working in Sweden, as a chef, before he was deported to Italy. His story is not the only case like this, say those who work at the reception center where he is...www.infomigrants.net
Then have the Turks vote out Erdogan. You do it with democracy. Couping your opponents opens a the door to them couping you. I am going to enjoy Erdogan losing in June. Getting popcorn ready. Sweden into NATO. If Turks cannot handle nationalism, then liberal Kemelists is better for Turkey.Well first of all,Turkey has a history of coups and second a part of the military and the people were angry about Erdogan ruling for so long and finding excuses to change the constitution to stay in power even longer.
He's a spammer who avoids to reply serious questions and goes on tantrums about the superiority of Turkey. However,some mod or admin protects him or else he'd have flown a long time ago.