South Korean PM to visit Bangladesh July

[Michael Corleone]

most likely investment opputunity... defence if any, would be nice to get subs but i think we'll be in china camp for the forseeable future... frigates has a possibility

 

[The Ronin]

Indonesia type subs purchase

One of the other important options (other than Korea) for partnering in this frigate project is of course Muslim brotherly country Turkey whose naval progress is quite spectacular to see and there may have been some recent deliberations among both our navies.

Korean large conventional sub launched...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sout...dosan-ahn-chang-ho-started-sea-trials.624429/

New submarine deal for now is unlikely. I don't think Korean sub is an option anymore after awarding Chinese firm for constructing submarine base. However still hope Chang Bogo, Dosan Ahn Changho class batch 2 and
HDS-500 Midget Submarine will be evaluated for our future sub-surface fleet. Also BD can evaluate the KM-SAM if we can't manage the Russian S-350 alternative.

And unlike S.Korea, Turkey is still not mature enough in their warship building. They still rely on Western suppliers for sensors and major armaments and probably their only successful export was to Pakistan navy. And Bangladesh only pick those who at least have successful export to three foreign countries.

2. is unlikely as S Korea relies on US for sensors and missiles. This would require export approval and BD would come under US weapons eco-system.

Korea is now building a frigate of 3500 tonnes that is locally made, apart from the Rolls Royce engine. Problem is the SAMs are just short range ones.
BN would be looking at more powerful sensors and longer ranged SAMs and so Korea just does not have the tech currently that BN wants. Korea would have to ask US to integrate Aegis and the SM-series sam to satisfy BN requirements.
Last I hear the next-gen BN frigates will be 4500 tonnes and come with AESA MFR.

Not actually. They already produces and uses their own ship and sub-launched AShM, cruise missile, SAM, Anti-sub missile and torpedo. Their medium range KM-SAM can be launched from their Daegu class frigate which is based on Russian S-350. It has a range of 40 km like the Chinese LY-80A.

And like the BNS BB we can get a modified frigate with European armament and sensors from S.Korea as Thai navy and PN did. Last time S.Korea participated in BN's new corvette program they offered Umkhonto SAM with their design.

Aegis and the SM-series sam are wet dream. Forget about those. And those speculations about BN's future frigate are just BD Military's report, nothing's confirmed yet.

 

[UKBengali]

Not actually. They already produces and uses their own ship and sub-launched AShM, cruise missile, SAM, Anti-sub missile and torpedo. Their medium range KM-SAM can be launched from their Daegu class frigate which is based on Russian S-350. It has a range of 40 km like the Chinese LY-80A.

And like the BNS BB we can get a modified frigate with European armament and sensors from S.Korea as Thai navy and PN did. Last time S.Korea participated in BN's new corvette program they offered Umkhonto SAM with their design.

Aegis and the SM-series sam are wet dream. Forget about those. And those speculations about BN's future frigate are just BD Military's report, nothing's confirmed yet.

Yes just checked and they do have their own 40km range naval SAM. Apart from the UK engines, everything else is all pretty much made in Korea.

I do not think that a 40km range SAM would satisfy BN requirements and the Korean tech is unlikely to be as good as what you can get from the EU.Rather than put EU SAMs and missiles onto a Korean ship, better to approach EU shipyard directly and get a licence for their design and build the hull in BD and then import, sensors and armaments from them. It will cost more but BD would be getting the best there is that will last 25 -30 years.


@Bilal9

 

[The Ronin]

Yes just checked and they do have their own 40km range naval SAM. Apart from the UK engines, everything else is all pretty much made in Korea.

I do not think that a 40km range SAM would satisfy BN requirements and the Korean tech is unlikely to be as good as what you can get from the EU.Rather than put EU SAMs and missiles onto a Korean ship, better to approach EU shipyard directly and get a licence for their design and build the hull in BD and then import, sensors and armaments from them. It will cost more but BD would be getting the best there is that will last 25 -30 years.


@Bilal9

European MR-SAM comes with similar range.

Aster-15: 30+km
MICA: 20km
Sea Ceptor: 45+km.

Only S.African Umkhonto SAM and Chinese LY-80D has 60km and 70km range. Besides budget is big issue here. you gotta arm six ships with these SAM. Plz don't start that 3 billion defense budget and fastest growing economy thing. It's still not clear how much BD can actually spend for shiny toys cause nothing happened that big yet. All the recent and last deal suggest BD still can't buy sophisticated things with big amount of money. We are still relying on our Eastern source for armaments.

And i don't why does it even matter whether you get the ship from S.Korea or Europe. if you put aside the quality of construction you are just choosing a design, building the hull and super structure and then putting sensors, armaments, engine etc from multiple sources in that.

 

[Bilal9]

Yes just checked and they do have their own 40km range naval SAM. Apart from the UK engines, everything else is all pretty much made in Korea.

I do not think that a 40km range SAM would satisfy BN requirements and the Korean tech is unlikely to be as good as what you can get from the EU.Rather than put EU SAMs and missiles onto a Korean ship, better to approach EU shipyard directly and get a licence for their design and build the hull in BD and then import, sensors and armaments from them. It will cost more but BD would be getting the best there is that will last 25 -30 years.


@Bilal9

I get your point. However question is if this approach for tech absorption ('choose the best that will last a while') is commensurate with our budget and if European tech is sustainable in the long run. Technology absorption happens in stages, and sometimes leapfrogging too much can result is sustainability issues.

Just a cautious note - that is all.

 

[UKBengali]

European MR-SAM comes with similar range.

Aster-15: 30+km
MICA: 20km
Sea Ceptor: 45+km.

Only S.African Umkhonto SAM and Chinese LY-80D has 60km and 70km range. Besides budget is big issue here. you gotta arm six ships with these SAM. Plz don't start that 3 billion defense budget and fastest growing economy thing. It's still not clear how much BD can actually spend for shiny toys cause nothing happened that big yet. All the recent and last deal suggest BD still can't buy sophisticated things with big amount of money. We are still relying on our Eastern source for armaments.

And i don't why does it even matter whether you get the ship from S.Korea or Europe. if you put aside the quality of construction you are just choosing a design, building the hull and super structure and then putting sensors, armaments, engine etc from multiple sources in that.

Now what would be point of going to Korea for the ship design and then buying major components like engine, sensors and missiles from the EU? It is unlikely to be much if at all cheaper if the hulls are being built in BD anyway.

Yes, BN will probably go with China for the submarines as they are overkill for Myanmar and really to deter India. That does not mean that BD will go Eastern(China) for it's next-gen frigates. After the Rohingya I am very convinced that both the sensors and missiles will come from the EU, although the design of the ship may be either Chinese or Korean.

Even say an EU frigate was to cost 500 million US dollars and a Korean one 400 million dollars but at lower capability, you are only saving 800 million dollar capital expenditure over a 25-30 year lifespan.

No-one knows at this stage but my thoughts say that the partner chosen for the next gen frigates will come from EU and Korea as a secondary possibility.