Shimla Agreement 1972 - Null & Void

[CHACHA"G"]

CeaseFireLine /CFL instead of LoC...

Fully agree sir , it is ceasefire line not LOC ….. And Pakistan have no international obligation or whatsoever … Freedom-Fighters can cross over now without any international backfire ..

 

[araz]

If border and military operations across the LoC are now fair game, then are both parties ready for the inevitable second innings and all the consequences thereof?

I think India certainly is as it sees Pakistan as a weakling. This step has come out at the worst time in our history where financial matters have crippled us into near bankruptcy. However, as I said this is a matter of survival of pakistan.However how they play this needs to be seen.
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[American Pakistani]

Declaring loc as cease fire line is the best thing to do.

Shimla mirch agreement terms already breached by India.

Take India to court for violating an agreement. And squeeze the $$.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Need your opinion bro @M. Sarmad

Simla has been violated by both sides in the past also but it won't become null and void unless both sides officially declare it null and void. The Simla Agreement contains no provision for termination, denunciation or withdrawal but the nature of the treaty does imply the right of denunciation in case any side tries to alter the situation unilaterally. In any case, a twelve months notice may be required for denunciation/termination.

 

[war&peace]

I think India certainly is as it sees Pakistan as a weakling. This step has come out at the worst time in our history where financial matters have crippled us into near bankruptcy. However, as I said this is a matter of survival of pakistan.However how they play this needs to be seen.
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Well, I would say, enemy could have not done a worse timing since the threshold will be lower this time ago.

 

[Skull and Bones]

How many signatures does Pakistani representatives have on the article 370?

 

[VCheng]

I think India certainly is as it sees Pakistan as a weakling. This step has come out at the worst time in our history where financial matters have crippled us into near bankruptcy. However, as I said this is a matter of survival of pakistan.However how they play this needs to be seen.
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A fair comment, but Pakistan's survival will remain dependent mainly on its internal issues and its economy, and not on any external factors. Its nuclear arsenal will ensure that there is no direct confrontation, so the war has to be carried out by other means, mainly economic and social.

 

[araz]

A fair comment, but Pakistan's survival will remain dependent mainly on its internal issues and its economy, and not on any external factors. Its nuclear arsenal will ensure that there is no direct confrontation, so the war has to be carried out by other means, mainly economic and social.

A very good perspective, one which I fully agree with. The hybrid war has already been lost without the masses being aware of it. We havew been comprehensively eliminated from international market due to pathetic policies and piss poor sense of trade amongst outr economic elites.
However, we live on and must rectify and regain what has been lost. The water factor on the other hand will be totally out of our hands and will be the last trump left in the indian hands of cards. This will truely turn into a mutually assured destruction.
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[HAIDER]

A very good perspective, one which I fully agree with. The hybrid war has already been lost without the masses being aware of it. We havew been comprehensively eliminated from international market due to pathetic policies and piss poor sense of trade amongst outr economic elites.
However, we live on and must rectify and regain what has been lost. The water factor on the other hand will be totally out of our hands and will be the last trump left in the indian hands of cards. This will truely turn into a mutually assured destruction.
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When Nawaz promote his son among Indian business tycoon and Zardari introduced family to international leaders, then what you expect. Now IK has same old previously used faces.

 

[VCheng]

A very good perspective, one which I fully agree with. The hybrid war has already been lost without the masses being aware of it. We havew been comprehensively eliminated from international market due to pathetic policies and piss poor sense of trade amongst outr economic elites.
However, we live on and must rectify and regain what has been lost. The water factor on the other hand will be totally out of our hands and will be the last trump left in the indian hands of cards. This will truely turn into a mutually assured destruction.
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All is not lost yet, although Pakistan has indeed fallen far behind.

However, the rectification must begin with the realization that the solutions are internal, and blaming outside forces for the predicaments Pakistan faces (a favorite tactic just about everywhere Pakistani, including this forum) is merely a diversionary tactic.

Even the water factor has internal solutions. Pakistan's share as defined by the IWT is perfectly adequate, but only if it builds enough storage reservoirs and manages the system properly by reinforcing efficiencies and correct pricing. But it is easier to blame India for (non-existent) IWT violations rather than do any of the required steps.

Pakistan's economy however will remain at a subsistence level, since the model that is entrenched is state-sanctioned monopolies that are run to enrich only a few and never for the benefit of the population. Any significant change in this situation is unlikely.

While MAD is enough to maintain mutual deterrence, a slow and contained economic and social implosion is far more likely than a sudden conflagration, in my view.