RowdyRathore
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Well sir! I don't consider nudity or certain clothing as an uncivilised thing.Why do I need to ask them?... that kind of approval is necessary for you so go ahead.
People should always be upto their will.
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Well sir! I don't consider nudity or certain clothing as an uncivilised thing.Why do I need to ask them?... that kind of approval is necessary for you so go ahead.
not in public.Well sir! I don't consider nudity or certain clothing as an uncivilised thing.
People should always be upto their will.
Okay. This is carry on from another thread. The Shalwar Kameez. Is it Pakistani dress. Or is it a Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi dress etc ? Please vote and give your reasons here. Thanks.
Please give your reasons when you vote !
@Iqbal Ali
But today Indians are fast moving on to Shalwar Kameez. 50 years ago it was restricted to the Sikhs in Punjab - although even they used a tight pyjama instead of loose shalwar. Today Shalwar Kameez has spread everywhere in India, Bangladesh and Nepal. The Sari is fast disapearing. I have no idea what brought this. Even more surprising when Indian's seem to be hostile to anything Pakistani.
And just to note Sikhs wore Kurta/Pajama and the Muslim Banglas used to wear Saris - look up even the images of 1971 war you can see that. Indira Gandhi as late as 1980s wore Saree all the time.

Well said. 50 years ago less than 5% of India wore anything resembling Shalwar Kameez. The Sari was standard Ganga wear. However like in most things they copy us and then claim it as "Gangadeshi".Gangadeshi propaganda regrading kameez shalwar
Well said. 50 years ago less than 5% of India wore anything resembling Shalwar Kameez. The Sari was standard Ganga wear. However like in most things they copy us and then claim it as "Gangadeshi".
You know it's interesting you say that. You made a fantastic analogy there. I am tempted to open a thread on it.The mindset of Indian Nationalists is akin to Afro-centrists where the African Americans claim ancient Egypt and pretty much everything ancient as theirs.
You know it's interesting you say that. You made a fantastic analogy there. I am tempted to open a thread on it.
In another forum a Egyptian was complaining that Africa-Americans claim Egypt on the most dubvious grounds that sound exactly like what Indian to us. (i) That Egypt is in Africa. (ii) That Nile is sourced in Ethopian/Ugandan highlands. (iii) That there are spits of Ancient Egyptian sites in Sudan, Axum, Eritrea etc. (iv) That modern Egytians are usurpers and migrants.
This is exactly what the Indian do with us.
Yes you are right. There are many reasons for this - mostly to do with the politics of the Pakistan's early years. However non of that was a excuse for Gangadeshis to walk in and grab our glorious heritage.Unlike the Egyptians, Pakistanis didn't use to take pride
This is exactly why Pakistan will remain a one dimentional concept as thin as paper lacking any historical anchor and it's people prone to being lost and schizophrenic. Are they Indian? Are they Muslim? Are they Arab? Are they Asian? Forever to suffer. A manifestation of the perfect artificial state born on the whims of few. A deviancy nurtured by the British. Just a place for temperory refuge of hatred of india that will in time coalesce back with Mata India. Just a aberration that history will reclaim like footprints on the beach.Essentially a rural west India/Afghan dress pattern.. Nothing to do with it being "Pakistani"or otherwise
The various iterations of it then came into royalty with the Mughals, eventually becoming the Kurta Pyjama which at the end of the day is a Shalwar & a Kameez or vice versa depending on how you see it.
All of them are iterations of the same basic Turkic Afghan dress which can then be extrapolated as having links to various other cultures as "their" dress.
There is nothing Pakistani or non-Pakistani about it- it is as much a part of culture as is the Kalash dress or the bangles of a Sindhi-Rajasthani woman in a thar village.
So while North Indian Hindus can claim the Kurta Pyjama as their dress, so can the Muslims because at the end it is a pass down from the amalgamation of central asian/Afghan invaders with the local culture... the same goes for all across Punjab.. wherever invading armies went, they brought their ideals which based on the time they stayed ended up being absorbed into a culture. Be it in the areas of Pakistan, India or Bengal ; this diffusion of culture took place over two thousand years.
The idea of culture is to create an amalgamation of what constitutes the entirety of individual cultural heritage rather than assign one like puritanical nazis.
Because at the end of the day, the suit worn my most Pakistani men at their Valimas has NOTHING to do with the land or culture less than a 150 years ago, but is now considered traditional to do so.
The same one dimensional concept which compared to any other decade in its past has displayed greater national unity and purpose within its population clearly has no relation to your strawman arguments... Especially when the whole premise is about a lousy dress.This is exactly why Pakistan will remain a one dimentional concept as thin as paper lacking any historical anchor and it's people prone to being lost and schizophrenic. Are they Indian? Are they Muslim? Are they Arab? Are they Asian? Forever to suffer. A manifestation of the perfect artificial state born on the whims of few. A deviancy nurtured by the British. Just a place for temperory refuge of hatred of india that will in time coalesce back with Mata India. Just a aberration that history will reclaim like footprints on the beach.
This is what feeds the notion that Pakistan is just a hatred of India reflected in a mirror and kept alive by a army.
It's greater then that. And you know it. It is part part of wider identity of what it is to be Pakistan. It's about the way we look at these things. Your paddling exactly what the Indians paddle.Especially when the whole premise is about a lousy dress.
Essentially a rural west India/Afghan dress pattern.. Nothing to do with it being "Pakistani"or otherwise
The various iterations of it then came into royalty with the Mughals, eventually becoming the Kurta Pyjama which at the end of the day is a Shalwar & a Kameez or vice versa depending on how you see it.
All of them are iterations of the same basic Turkic Afghan dress which can then be extrapolated as having links to various other cultures as "their" dress.
There is nothing Pakistani or non-Pakistani about it- it is as much a part of culture as is the Kalash dress or the bangles of a Sindhi-Rajasthani woman in a thar village.
So while North Indian Hindus can claim the Kurta Pyjama as their dress, so can the Muslims because at the end it is a pass down from the amalgamation of central asian/Afghan invaders with the local culture... the same goes for all across Punjab.. wherever invading armies went, they brought their ideals which based on the time they stayed ended up being absorbed into a culture. Be it in the areas of Pakistan, India or Bengal ; this diffusion of culture took place over two thousand years.
The idea of culture is to create an amalgamation of what constitutes the entirety of individual cultural heritage rather than assign one like puritanical nazis.
Because at the end of the day, the suit worn my most Pakistani men at their Valimas has NOTHING to do with the land or culture less than a 150 years ago, but is now considered traditional to do so.
Either you are extremely tired or intoxicated to construe my statement that way. Please re-read what the term" national unity" means.It's greater then that. And you know it. It is part part of wider identity of what it is to be Pakistan. It's about the way we look at these things. Your paddling exactly what the Indians paddle.
My facts are spot on, you are only playing the usual defensive mentality of trying to associate a dress with being Pakistani or with the IVC or with Hazrat Adam rather than recognizing Pakistan as a collective of diversity with a shared purpose as a nation of the various people living in it to live their lives according to their beliefs with freedom.West Indian dress
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Yes there is similarity with thar and cholistan people but we are talking about shalwar kameez here which is mainstream ancient Pakistani dress since IVC people came up with cotton. Get your facts right.
My facts are spot on, you are only playing the usual defensive mentality of trying to associate a dress with being Pakistani or with the IVC or with Hazrat Adam rather than recognizing Pakistan as a collective of diversity with a shared purpose as a nation of the various people living in it to live their lives according to their beliefs with freedom.
The Shalwar Kameez has nothing to do with any particular country as such.