Shaheen-III – No Game Changer: Believes India.

[About.to.be.banned]

This missile does not cover any new Indian city. Just some tribal infested jungles in north-east are added by 250Km increase in range. It deserved 'meh' reaction which it got.

The fact that some one had to write up the article in an effort to steady their rattled nerves proves the effect of this test..... little do these internet warriors know that Pakistan has incorporated PSAC for maneuverable re-entry vehicles. This makes accuracy deadly, it's very effective countermeasure, but may decreases range which in any case is irrelevant.

Indian Ocean is India's Ocean. And Indian Navy has missile observation ships. You cannot test any novel technology without India knowing about it.

Alot of confidence in indian mussile defence shield which is only tested against short range liquid fuelled prithvi missile and contains prithvi air defence missile which is also liquid fuelled ... touted as being as good as patriot 3.. patriot 3 it self probably no match for solid fuel IRBM.
Shaheen 11 and probably 111 also has MARV ..plus its not a hamas rocket ...wuth re entry vehicle weighing 1050 kg going at 20 times speed of sound able to randomly change trajectory ...it will pass through any thing india or israel posses..
And no its not a game changer...without even seeing a close up pic of missile indians have decided that...without knowing any thing else just the range...

India's BMD is terminal BMD. Its efficacy would depend on warhead characterstics, not how that warhead has been boosted up.

Also Prithvi mimicked terminal trajectory of a 2500 Km missile, not of a 250 Km missile that it is.

Unlike say US and Russia or China, India and Pakistan share a common border with very little flying or reaction time where even a jet fighter can ingress without detection. Regardless what ABM capability they may acquire but would you take a chance to be in the either country when the missiles start flying.

Again, India's BMD ,like any BMD, is terminal missile defence. Reaction time was a concept developed when there were no missile defence and pertained to time you have to get into your fallout shelters , and it matters in Aircraft delivered bombs.


For Terminal missile defence , reaction time is of no importance. It would have a couple of minutes to intercept a warhead (after it has re-entered atmosphere) irrespective of the time that warhead would have taken to reach there. Short range is beneficial for BMD as its radar could detect launch of missiles.


Distance would become even greater a disadvantage to Pakistan , if and when India develops Aircraft based Laser based BMDs capable of shooting down missiles in boost phase.

Reaction time advantage to Pakistan would be only is case of ultra short range missile like Nasr who due to their short range have depessed trajectory and may not go high enough to be under first tier of BMD thus converting India's two tier BMD into single tier.

What can an ABM system do against a more than mach 20 speeding warhead?
The US has spent more than 140 billion $ for its ABM and it apparently failed big time.

By this.

Maneuverability ∝ 1/ (speed)


And if you believe that US's BMD failed, you are living in 1990.

2- firing it vertically does not make it a solid fuelled IRBM. Why not to test this so called ABM shield against agni...why going to such lengths to use most primitive of missiles

I think you are facing great difficulty in understanding a simple concept.

whole fuel of a missile is spent in boost phase. Warhead does not have any fuel so for a BMD it does not matter whether a warhead was boosted by solid fuelled missile or liquid fuelled missile.

 

[The SC]

By this.

Maneuverability ∝ 1/ (speed)


And if you believe that US's BMD failed, you are living in 1990.



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Where have you gotten "your" formula from? is that Alpha? can you expand on that???

Actually by 2014 reports.
By 1990 they had spend just 40 $ billion, they have added another 100 $billion... for nothing really substantial (other cute words for saying it all failed).

 

[About.to.be.banned]

Where have you gotten "your" formula from? is that Alpha? can you expand on that???

Actually by 2014 reports.
By 1990 they had spend just 40 $ billion, they have added another 100 $billion... for nothing really substantial (other cute words for saying it all failed).

It is proportionality.

ANd if you are comparing THADD, Aegis BMD with primitive Patriot batteries, no one could help you.

Whats new there? The reaction from the other side of Wagah border has always been the same, after every test or commissioning or project news. I used to visit BR forums occasionally in the past, the language used and the content posted give a fairly good idea of the assumptions/viewpoints of the Indians. Everything is dud, imported from China/North Korea, doesn't work and there's no point in preparing for it. Trust me, we are perfectly fine with you, believing that. Lets just hope that the people making decisions in New Delhi do not assume the same about Pakistan.

P.S. There's nothing you/we know besides the announced range increase but that doesn't mean that nothing else is there. You would be mad to assume that we got a mere 250 km increase in ~11 years. Pakistanis happen to be paranoid, they wont tell you everything. Just one more example of that.

For past 11 years your economy was neck deep in shitte. It affects military programs too.

 

[HariPrasad]

National, Opinion
Shaheen-III Ballistic Missile: Enforcing Strategic Deterrence
March 12, 2015 10:52 am·0 Comments


The growing disparity and asymmetry in South Asia is favorable to India yet challenging for Pakistan. India’s rising nuclear and conventional ambitions have enforced Pakistan to build up its nuclear capabilities to ensure the credibility of its nuclear deterrence. Previously, India’s doctrinal transformation and ballistic missile defense capabilities which are rapidly maturing, have indulged Pakistan in miniaturization of warheads. Lately, the evolving South Asian regional security dynamics in Modi’s regime is coercing Pakistan to develop full spectrum credible minimum deterrence capability to deter all form of aggression.

The recent successful test launch of Shaheen-III Surface to Surface Ballistic Missile (SSBM) on March 9th from the Southern coast off the Arabian Sea is an appropriate, requisite and well-timed response to India’s sophisticated and intensive ballistic missile and anti-missile developments. India on 19th February test-fired nuclear-capable Prithvi-II missile hence a response from Pakistan was evident and essential to ensure that Islamabad has the capabilities to counter the intimidating advancement.

Shaheen III SSBM is capable of carrying nuclear and conventional warheads to a range of 2,750 km. The missile is an updated version of Shaheen I and Shaheen-II, the maximum range of the earlier versions of Shaheen missiles was of about 2,500 km. This Medium Range Ballistic Missile (MRBM) is a solid fuelled missile and is currently the longest-range missile in Pakistan. The Director General Strategic Plans Division, Lieutenant General Zubair Mehmood Hayat has stated the development “yet another historic milestone” towards reinforcement and maintenance of Pakistan’s deterrence capability.

Pakistan currently has three tiers of ballistic missiles ranging from Battlefield Short Range Ballistic Missiles (BSRBMs) to Short Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBMs) and Medium Range Ballistic Missiles (MRBMs). The ballistic missile system developments of Islamabad is focused to respond Dehli’s advancements which serves the purpose to ensure counter strike capability, maintains credible deterrence, readiness and robustness of Pakistan which reduces the threat of India’s conventional limited war.

Deterrence, as precisely termed, is “the exploitation of a threat without implementing it, or exploiting the existence of weapons without activating them”. Consequently, nuclear weapons are essentially supposed to be the weapons of peace and not war. It is extensively believed that the existence of nuclear weapons restrained Pakistan and India to wage another war after 1971. However, the Indian arrogance to exploit conventional supremacy and regional hegemonic aspirations are evident from assorted course of actions.

After the failure of Sundarji doctrine in operation Parakram which took place in 2001-2002, India announced a new limited war ‘Cold Start’ doctrine in 2004. The Sundarji doctrine faltered due to dawdling Indian mobilization that permitted Pakistan to mount its reaction and beat Indian strategic designs. The new Cold Start doctrine was resultantly aimed to mobilize quickly and to exterminate Pakistani armed forces before they could accumulate a response.

Nasr (Hatf IX) BSRBM was designed to counter India’s Cold start and limited war strategy, which has the quick reactionary shoot-and-scoot technology. While the Nasr serves the purpose of battlefield deterrent, the Abdali (Hatf-II) BSRBM fulfills the role of traditional short-range strategic deterrent. The cornerstones of Pakistan’s deterrent arsenal are Ghauri II (Hatf VA), Shaheen II (Hatf VI) and Shaheen III MRBMs, with ability to strike any strategic target in India.

The regional stability has been threatened after Modi government’s aggressive postures that include abetting terrorism in Pakistan, blatant attrition at the line of control (LoC), Indo-US-Israeli Ballistic Missile Defense Cooperation, revival of Indo-US nuclear deal and significant hike in defense budget. India is also developing its heavy bombers, land-based ballistic missiles, maritime strategic forces and submarine-launched ballistic missiles to have a complete triad of land-based and sea-based ballistic missiles. It is viewed by many that by maintaining such belligerent posture, Dehli is looking for a strategic space to start a limited war against Pakistan which is believed to be indebted after Kargil.

Resultantly, the developing regional dynamics inflict Pakistan to convert credible minimum deterrence into full spectrum credible minimum deterrence. While India is developing its short range ballistic missiles, inter-continental ballistic missiles and anti-missile program, Pakistan is focusing on its short-range and medium-range ballistic missiles with improved payloads, range, and reliability. The previous versions of Shaheen could not reach India’s eastern front but latest launch test has ended this limitation and consequently, the launch of Shaheen III is of prominent significance because it consolidates Pakistan’s strategic deterrence in evolving regional scenario.

The continuing race between Pakistan and India is of grave regional concern. Yet evidently, Islamabad is not seeking a nuclear parity with New-Dehli but is compelled to exhibit a reaction in response to an action. Nonetheless, a timely successful response shows operational preparedness of the Strategic Forces and Pakistan’s capabilities to safeguard its security, which should not be undermined.




Tags: pakistan missile technology, Shaheen 3, Shaheen-III Missile

 

[OrionHunter]

So an internet post made you draw that conclusion???
Let me be absolutely clear neither Iran nor Israel came into our strategic calculation when designing that missile
You are free to believe whatever you want in your fantasy world that it is Iran vs Every Sunni majority country

It's for Israel and India.

 

[Screambowl]

Pakistan is aware, whether Shaheen 3 or HaftII or HaftIII they cannot prevent India's massive retaliation at all.

Before Pakistan empties its nuclear arsenal on India, Pakistan will be hit by Indian missiles. As second strike does not mean we will let the missile fall and only then launch the second strike.

More over, Indian pre-emptive conventional strikes will minimize the Pakistani nuclear adventure in India.

 

[ni8mare]

Where have you gotten "your" formula from? is that Alpha? can you expand on that???

Actually by 2014 reports.
By 1990 they had spend just 40 $ billion, they have added another 100 $billion... for nothing really substantial (other cute words for saying it all failed).

just like Pakistan added 250 km to S2 in last 11 years nothing really substantial

 

[HariPrasad]

that is what we want india to believe .............................

This is like saying that Agni V has has increased the balance between India and Pakistan. When Shaheen II had a range of 2500 KM (If really it is) than whole India is covered with Shaheen II. Additional 10% range shall only increase threat perception of those area which do not come under Shaheen III. i e. The area between 2500 KM to 2750 KM from Pakistani Border.