Senate body slams PIA for sacking employees with fake degrees: Corrupt PML-N protecting Corrupt PIA

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@Champion_Usmani @Tameem sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

You can't expect corrupt people like @Champion_Usmani @Tameem to have any shame... Only the corrupt defend the corrupt .

PML-N and PeePeePee Corruption.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

He argued that instead of terminating the service of staff possessing fake degrees, other disciplinary action should have been taken, such as demotion or stopping increments.

Wow, just wow.

These individuals knowingly obtained fraudulent degrees to obtain employment - they lied and cheated. Dismissal is one of the lesser punishments they could receive. And why should they be continue to be kept on the payroll? The positions they were hired for had certain requirements that included academic qualifications. The fact that they resorted to fake degrees obviously means they did not meet those requirements and should be terminated.

In u.s the big companies like google have allowed individuals without college degree to work if they have necessary technical skills as many college degree holders not know better skills needed for practical work so as far as person is capable of doing job properly degree not matters

That's not the issue - it is up to the organization/company to relax its requirements for hiring people, as long as the requirements are relaxed/waived under a process and according to the rules in place. However, in this case applicants knowingly lied and committed fraud to get hired. That is unacceptable and they should be terminated. They should be glad they aren't being sued to recover the salaries they've already received.

 

[VCheng]

Wow, just wow.

And it is stuff like this that destroys Pakistan's image much more than all the good vibes projected.

 

[Isotope]

In u.s the big companies like google have allowed individuals without college degree to work if they have necessary technical skills as many college degree holders not know better skills needed for practical work so as far as person is capable of doing job properly degree not matters

It's amazing how the senators do not think there is anything wrong about lying, cheating or gaining employment through fake degrees. However, can a person be trusted in a company who was deceitful before even getting hired? In USA you must "tell the truth" when trying to seek employment with any company. Totally unethical on the part of the employees and the management who had knowingly hired them or didn't do their homework before hiring them.

BS...

If you lie on your job application irrespective... Especially if you lie about your credentials you are fired here in the North America in a second on the spot.

I was born here and I am a working professional. Don't make up stuff.

I am not talking about self learning versus more traditional learning methods...

I am talking about lying about your credentials to get a job = Termination!

Maybe if you had some formal education you will be able to discern the difference.

Completely agree. I was also born here, am a professional and the consequences of lying on your job application is automatic termination. How can a person be trusted in a company who was deceitful before even getting hired? It's amazing how Pakistani senators think there is nothing wrong about lying, cheating or gaining employment through fake degrees. It's just totally baffling. Makes you wonder about their own ethical standards.

 

[Verve]

medical is different and complex field I am referring to ordinary jobs which can be done by person through self learning and without need of university

Medicine can be self taught! I come from family of doctors, let me operate on you then! Getting a fake degree is no problem either!

Flying a millions $ plane is NO ORDINARY JOB! A fake surgeon can kill one person at a time, a fake pilot will end up killing hundreds along with himself!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It's amazing how Pakistani senators think there is nothing wrong about lying, cheating or gaining employment through fake degrees. It's just totally baffling. Makes you wonder about their own ethical standards.

Part of this is political point scoring in that the politicians advancing these opinions are the opposition, and there are probably tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of government employees that were hired in violation of the rules or on the basis of fraudulent qualifications by these opposition parties when they were in power over the last 10 years. They have a vested interest in trying to portray themselves as 'the parties that care for the average person'. One of the biggest drains on the government and loss making government institutions are these unnecessary employees that were hired to 'reward' constituents. It's easier for a political party to just hire tens of thousands of people (typically their supporters or friends and family of their supporters) into government jobs than to actually put in place reforms that encourage the growth of the private sector & industry that reduces unemployment over the long term.

These are literally political slogans during election time, "We (XYZ political party) gave jobs to tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people".

 

[VCheng]

It's amazing how Pakistani senators think there is nothing wrong about lying, cheating or gaining employment through fake degrees. It's just totally baffling. Makes you wonder about their own ethical standards.

Cream rises to the top. (And scum to the top of a dirty pond.)

These are literally political slogans during election time, "We (XYZ political party) gave jobs to tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people".

Far be it for them to create so many jobs. All of the jobs in such claims are just adding freeloaders to bloated government and semi-government institutions that the public pays for, one way or another.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@VCheng Remember the PPP Chief Minister from Balochistan a few years ago on the subject of legislators being disqualified because of fraudulent degrees? "A degree is a degree, whether real or fake".

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng Remember the PPP Chief Minister from Balochistan a few years ago on the subject of legislators being disqualified because of fraudulent degrees? "A degree is a degree, whether real or fake".

Yes, that is also the province where the MNA defended the burial of some women alive as a proud Baluch tradition.

 

[Isotope]

Part of this is political point scoring in that the politicians advancing these opinions are the opposition, and there are probably tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of government employees that were hired in violation of the rules or on the basis of fraudulent qualifications by these opposition parties when they were in power over the last 10 years. They have a vested interest in trying to portray themselves as 'the parties that care for the average person'. One of the biggest drains on the government and loss making government institutions are these unnecessary employees that were hired to 'reward' constituents. It's easier for a political party to just hire tens of thousands of people (typically their supporters or friends and family of their supporters) into government jobs than to actually put in place reforms that encourage the growth of the private sector & industry that reduces unemployment over the long term.

These are literally political slogans during election time, "We (XYZ political party) gave jobs to tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people".

You have said it eloquently, and that's what it is. Country's interests go outta the window. Sadly, these politicians are making decisions for a country which is really struggling to survive in this dog eats dog world.

 

[ghazi52]

In Pakistan legislators being disqualified because of fraudulent degrees ? No. I have first hand knowledge.

 

[xyxmt]

only in Pakistan, country's highest legal body supports illegal activities

 

[Syed1.]

In u.s the big companies like google have allowed individuals without college degree to work if they have necessary technical skills as many college degree holders not know better skills needed for practical work so as far as person is capable of doing job properly degree not matters

LMAO bullshit.... maulvi sahab ko back to your madrassa, yeh sub apkay bus ki baat nahi.

Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Tesla etc etc all strive to get the best and brightest talents from universities. There are one in a million exceptions of them hiring non-degree holders and even then the candidate has proven and demonstrable track record to prove his/her credentials. They just don't hire anyone off the street.


Also working away on a computer is very different from playing with the lives of 400+ people. You should read up on the stringent requirements of being a pilot in the US. Obviously if you were capable of rational thought you wouldn't be a jahil mullah would you now.

 

[Liquidmetal]

Absolutely, there were 7 pilots that submitted their credentials with fake degrees. This means that you cannot be trusted to work in an office as a cleaner never mind fly a $100M machine with 400 people on board. Ridiculous of anyone that defends the sacking of the pilots. Keeping the pilots was a security and safety risk with a direct impact on PIA's already tarnished reputation. Imagine the sanctions by the EU and other countries if these pilots were kept on. Unfortunately in Europe, North America falsifying your qualifications and credentials is a sackable offence. Remember that idiot senator that said whether real or false a degree is a degree, but how many people would allow a surgery by a falsified doctor?

 

[The Accountant]

Firing a small penalty ... If it would be upto me I would have registered an FIR