Second JF-17B Prototype with more composite material undergoing flight tests

[khanasifm]

Hinges type

Hidden Barrel Hinge of jas-39b

https://www.bobvila.com/slideshow/hinge-styles-10-designs-you-need-to-know-46388

 

[MastanKhan]

Well that is where Engineers and parts manufacturer come into play the concept is there to be copied

Hi,

That design just did not happen like that---. There must be a reason for it to be designed like that---. There must be a purpose behind it---.

 

[BATMAN]

This is exactly the bottle neck on other aircrafts as well

Bottle neck is more payload and fuel.
Engine power is bogging down jF-17 when it comes to comparison with other competitors.
After engine upgrade, buyers of Gripen and F-16 would like to evaluate jF-17 as well.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Bottle neck is more payload and fuel.
Engine power is bogging down jF-17 when it comes to comparison with other competitors.
After engine upgrade, buyers of Gripen and F-16 would like to evaluate jF-17 as well.

that is coincidental.

To carry more payload, you need more lift.
to generate more lift you need larger wing area.
Larger wing area comes with larger drag
to compensate drag, need a better engine.
better engine needs a better fuselage ( to start with )
better fuselage needs stronger MATERIALS

Once we come out of this conundrum, we will see that the large area has led to large radar foot print

Reduce the radar foot print, you need to make aerodynamic compromises.

And compromise is the name of the game, this is what design is all about.
Nothing can exist absolutely, everything is linked to something else.

 

[messiach]

These are temporary measures examining yaw control during rolling maneuvers at high Alpha 60-65 deg attitude similar to ANSER for hornet.

Thing thing about vortexes ..
for so long designers have abhorred the idea of these nasty devils and now they are being toyed as beneficial
design elements.

 

[Readerdefence]

its better if more powerful engine comes into play. they will adopt more cimposite material in BLKIII to offset the weight increase of AESA and EW.

Hi @wanglaokan @MastanKhan or any other more learned member is it possible for jf17 to have j10 engine in its fuselage or what is the size comparison between the two any info on it please
Thank you

 

[Sinnerman108]

Hi @wanglaokan @MastanKhan or any other more learned member is it possible for jf17 to have j10 engine in its fuselage or what is the size comparison between the two any info on it please
Thank you

It is almost impossible.

The amount of work required for this conversion offsets any benefits.

 

[帅的一匹]

Hi @wanglaokan @MastanKhan or any other more learned member is it possible for jf17 to have j10 engine in its fuselage or what is the size comparison between the two any info on it please
Thank you

then you just go for J10. enlarge the fusalge is equal to redesign.

 

[IceCold]

then you just go for J10. enlarge the fusalge is equal to redesign.

J-10 is a lost opportunity, thanks to PAF and their shortsightedness and a fetish for US toys. Had we procured J-10 back in 2005 instead of F-16s today not only we had been fully familiarized with the bird but also would now be in process of getting the upgrades as well as the harmony we would have achieved having a similar platform as PLAAF.
That would have also made sense in case of war with India, we could just easily get additional planes from Chinese stock as backup against IAF.
Now we are stuck with those 18 F-16s.

 

[ziaulislam]

Hi @wanglaokan @MastanKhan or any other more learned member is it possible for jf17 to have j10 engine in its fuselage or what is the size comparison between the two any info on it please
Thank you

Probably not

J-10 is a lost opportunity, thanks to PAF and their shortsightedness and a fetish for US toys. Had we procured J-10 back in 2005 instead of F-16s today not only we had been fully familiarized with the bird but also would now be in process of getting the upgrades as well as the harmony we would have achieved having a similar platform as PLAAF.
That would have also made sense in case of war with India, we could just easily get additional planes from Chinese stock as backup against IAF.
Now we are stuck with those 18 F-16s.

you spent 2.2 billion dollars to get 63 block 52 aircrafts along with weapons in 2008, at that time j-10 was inferior to b52 and would have given you barely 24ish aircrafts at that cost

plus PAF did signed for j-10, but people of pakistan decided against it by voting for PPPP

 

[帅的一匹]

J-10 is a lost opportunity, thanks to PAF and their shortsightedness and a fetish for US toys. Had we procured J-10 back in 2005 instead of F-16s today not only we had been fully familiarized with the bird but also would now be in process of getting the upgrades as well as the harmony we would have achieved having a similar platform as PLAAF.
That would have also made sense in case of war with India, we could just easily get additional planes from Chinese stock as backup against IAF.
Now we are stuck with those 18 F-16s.

PAF.cant be stuck with F16, should move on. luckily they have hundred JF17.

 

[IceCold]

you spent 2.2 billion dollars to get 63 block 52 aircrafts along with weapons in 2008, at that time j-10 was inferior to b52 and would have given you barely 24ish aircrafts at that cost

plus PAF did signed for j-10, but people of pakistan decided against it by voting for PPPP

J-10 might be inferior but not to the extent that PAF made it looked like and by repeating the same old mantra we have existing infrastructure for F-16s bla bla. J-10 even then was equivalent to an F-16 block-40. Today J-10B is as good if not better as any F-16 block-52. My point is If we had acquired an inferior plane than, it would be getting updates today and would have been the same standard as F-16s with the added advantage that numbers could quickly be added up in case of war with India. Plus we would not have been worried about them getting sanctioned as we are today with the F-16s.
Now let me ask you how profitable for the deal that PAF made when it chose to go down the F-16 route and not J-10? Can we acquire more F-16s? certainly there is a need for more. A handful of F-16s isnt going to cut it when pitted against more than 200 MKI, Rafales and Mirage 2000.

 

[帅的一匹]

J-10 might be inferior but not to the extent that PAF made it looked like and by repeating the same old mantra we have existing infrastructure for F-16s bla bla. J-10 even then was equivalent to an F-16 block-40. Today J-10B is as good if not better as any F-16 block-52. My point is If we had acquired an inferior plane than, it would be getting updates today and would have been the same standard as F-16s with the added advantage that numbers could quickly be added up in case of war with India. Plus we would not have been worried about them getting sanctioned as we are today with the F-16s.
Now let me ask you how profitable for the deal that PAF made when it chose to go down the F-16 route and not J-10? Can we acquire more F-16s? certainly there is a need for more. A handful of F-16s isnt going to cut it when pitted against more than 200 MKI, Rafales and Mirage 2000.

can PAF field BLK52 against J10c in excercise?

still string attached, isnt it?

 

[IceCold]

can PAF field BLK52 against J10c in excercise?

still string attached, isnt it?

No we cant. In fact we cant even station them together with JF-17 or F-7s.

 

[Sinnerman108]

J-10 might be inferior but not to the extent that PAF made it looked like and by repeating the same old mantra we have existing infrastructure for F-16s bla bla. J-10 even then was equivalent to an F-16 block-40. Today J-10B is as good if not better as any F-16 block-52. My point is If we had acquired an inferior plane than, it would be getting updates today and would have been the same standard as F-16s with the added advantage that numbers could quickly be added up in case of war with India. Plus we would not have been worried about them getting sanctioned as we are today with the F-16s.
Now let me ask you how profitable for the deal that PAF made when it chose to go down the F-16 route and not J-10? Can we acquire more F-16s? certainly there is a need for more. A handful of F-16s isnt going to cut it when pitted against more than 200 MKI, Rafales and Mirage 2000.

The J-10's engine isn't a very friendly one to maintain
even if the russians would allow export ( which I doubt )