Saudi backed Sudanese RSF forces kill 100 demonstrators and throw 40 bodies in nile

[Kamil_baku]

Thing is, Erdogan's hostility towards the US was always part of a populist campaign effort. He never went too far with actual hostility such as Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad. Infact he works with the US and Israel, all hostility remained on the level of speeches an threats which is the way he gains support, Erdogan has always used the strategy of portraying Turkey as the oppressed victim to create anger amongst people and he used that to keep getting votes.

So far he is the only guy, who is doing business with Iran and RUssia, Ukrain based on their own currency, not dollar. i hope you at least know why Qaddafi, saddam and others died. Because they also wanted to use Euro instead of dollar..
second, without him, PKK would have gas and petrol pineline going from North of Irag and Syria to Mediterenian sea, You big mouse Iragis couldnt even do anything when they simple occupied your land, get control of Kerkuk, and just kilometrs away from Mediterenian sea. But, after Turkish entrance, and army operation, those ideas became nosense and after kurdish forces declared independense it was Turkey who helped you to attack. How easily you forget it? the list can go on and on... look at Syria, Livia, Qatar, everywhere his policy contradict with American policy..
Just because you speak English and reading some stupid news doesnt make you smart, instead make you look stupid. dont get me wrong, but if you cannot see these things when they happen just next door, in your country, what can i expect from you?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

So far he is the only guy, who is doing business with Iran and RUssia, Ukrain based on their own currency, not dollar. i hope you at least know why Qaddafi, saddam and others died. Because they also wanted to use Euro instead of dollar..
second, without him, PKK would have gas and petrol pineline going from North of Irag and Syria to Mediterenian sea, You big mouse Iragis couldnt even do anything when they simple occupied your land, get control of Kerkuk, and just kilometrs away from Mediterenian sea. But, after Turkish entrance, and army operation, those ideas became nosense and after kurdish forces declared independense it was Turkey who helped you to attack. How easily you forget it? the list can go on and on... look at Syria, Livia, Qatar, everywhere his policy contradict with American policy..
Just because you speak English and reading some stupid news doesnt make you smart, instead make you look stupid. dont get me wrong, but if you cannot see these things when they happen just next door, in your country, what can i expect from you?

I think there's no bigger enabler of a Kurdistan then Erdogan has been since 2008 region wise. But as for Kurdish independence it was opposed by nearly everyone except Israel. This is a different topic, i don't like to deal with Kurds.

 

[Kamil_baku]

I think there's no bigger enabler of a Kurdistan then Erdogan has been since 2008 region wise. But as for Kurdish independence it was opposed by nearly everyone except Israel. This is a different topic, i don't like to deal with Kurds.

Dude, i talk with facts, but why dont you bring up your facts instead of falsely saying the same thing?
You know that all Kurds used to vote for him but now he is the least favorite among Kurds because before Kurds were filling that Turkish army cannot do anything against them or enter Kurkish cities, where people also supported PKK. He did the first in the world and destroyed PKK in Kurdish cities without much casualty to normal people. Western news were already showing Turkey kurdish side land divided at that time, and nobody expected that Turkey can do it.. you know how they did it? developing their own technologies...
have you ever heard any country said that they have a technology which can show the EID under the ground? they never showed or sold it to any country. Turkey developed one which can see based on the chemicals used in EAD, based on that they destroyed them one by one without casualties..
The last thing he had to do is divide Kurdish people, show them that Turkey is not against the people but against the PKK and get Turkey gain something out of it.. it offered to use Kurdish gas and petrol to pass by Turkey which otherwise will go from Iran or any other way, which made Turkey earn money and one more step to become energy hub and cheap gas which Turkey spends 160 billion$ for energy every year..
wasnt him who falsly made Iragi and Turkish forces training near the border, making PKK thinking that they will attack from Turkish border and all PKK forces came to border and at the end Iragi army attacked directly to Kerkuk by suprise and get them run.
Now tell me, how did he create the Kurdistan? as i said, you just read western news and hate him, but in reality he saved your *** several times.

 

[nahtanbob]

thats what we call Western approved dictatorship
west approves that and Saudis are only doing what west wants them to do.

while in Pakistan, BBC is making programs on Pakistan hidden human rights abuse as its long lasting habit of hate for Pakistan army

Does Pakistani army have the balls to criticize the Saudis ?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Dude, i talk with facts, but why dont you bring up your facts instead of falsely saying the same thing?
You know that all Kurds used to vote for him but now he is the least favorite among Kurds because before Kurds were filling that Turkish army cannot do anything against them or enter Kurkish cities, where people also supported PKK. He did the first in the world and destroyed PKK in Kurdish cities without much casualty to normal people. Western news were already showing Turkey kurdish side land divided at that time, and nobody expected that Turkey can do it.. you know how they did it? developing their own technologies...
have you ever heard any country said that they have a technology which can show the EID under the ground? they never showed or sold it to any country. Turkey developed one which can see based on the chemicals used in EAD, based on that they destroyed them one by one without casualties..
The last thing he had to do is divide Kurdish people, show them that Turkey is not against the people but against the PKK and get Turkey gain something out of it.. it offered to use Kurdish gas and petrol to pass by Turkey which otherwise will go from Iran or any other way, which made Turkey earn money and one more step to become energy hub and cheap gas which Turkey spends 160 billion$ for energy every year..
wasnt him who falsly made Iragi and Turkish forces training near the border, making PKK thinking that they will attack from Turkish border and all PKK forces came to border and at the end Iragi army attacked directly to Kerkuk by suprise and get them run.
Now tell me, how did he create the Kurdistan? as i said, you just read western news and hate him, but in reality he saved your *** several times.

Erdogan supported and ditched the Kurds in Iraq (KRG) accoding to his interests of economic growth, when they looked for independence he opposed it and sided with Baghdad.

KRG wouldn't be anywhere without several factors, Baghdad continuously giving them money, Turkey providing them with everything they need and a pipeline to export oil illegally.

As for Syria, that's Erdogan's biggest fuckup with regards to the Kurdish project. Anyway all that aside, the worst thing is Erdogan was OK with all the foreign terrorists landing Istanbul and entering Syria.

 

[Kamil_baku]

on the other hand, think of from Turkish side.. by supporting him, he showed that Turkey is not against Kurds and only against PKK, That how he could stop Kurdish and Turkish fight in Turkey..
if you are not capable of fighting with PKK and thinking that let Turkey deal with it, they will not also care about you much as you dont give us much option...
But on the other hand, because of Turkey you got Kerkuk, and other areas... the fun part is US simple bomb your forces every time you go to fight with ISIS and you still blame Turkey.. seems like Arabic people always look the problem on others, but dont look at themselves