Saudi Arabia to execute three prominent moderate scholars after Ramadan

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

West did spended tons of money for ending their rule in Egypt.

Each Muslim Brotherhood unit functions independently and has a different agenda. Some are pro-Western, others are anti-Western.

In the US, their leaders tend to be pro-Indian and anti-Pakistan, as they view Pakistan as a threat to their influence. You will never see them mentioning Kashmir, actually they demonize anyone who does.

 

[PakAlp]

Depends on your definition of terrorist, but in Syria and Libya, they most definitely are.

In the US, they are part of the Western liberal pro-LGBT alliance with their prominent members like Linda Sarsour, Omar Suleman, CAIR, and have much influence in MAS, ISNA, ICNA, etc.

In Egypt, they were anti-Western and anti-Israel, this is why the US replaced them.

I can still remember listening to MB leader Morsi speech during Syrian rebellion. He as the leader of Egypt declared Jihad against Syria and encouraged people to go fight in Syria, whilst the Egyptian army was against the protests and rebellion as they've witnessed the destruction in Iraq Somalia Libya and they knew they would be next on the list.

 

[Numerous]

Depends on your definition of terrorist, but in Syria and Libya, they most definitely are.

How are they terrorists?

 

[Falcon29]

In the US, they are part of the Western liberal pro-LGBT alliance with their prominent members like Linda Sarsour, Omar Suleman, CAIR, and have much influence in MAS, ISNA, ICNA, etc.

The hell are you talking about guy? Those two are ordinary Americans, one an scholar, the other an activist. You must be talking about the older immigrants who came from place like Egypt, Syria and so on that grew up around MB activism and I never seen those people espouse anti-Pakistani/Turkish views. That older generation is largely replaced now with American born Muslims who have no connection to foreign social movements, yet you are demonizing them like a loser? American Muslim activists/scholars do not publicly oppose LGBT rights as it is enough to create controversies for American Muslims.

 

[PakAlp]

Each Muslim Brotherhood unit functions independently and has a different agenda. Some are pro-Western, others are anti-Western.

In the US, their leaders tend to be pro-Indian and anti-Pakistan, as they view Pakistan as a threat to their influence. You will never see them mentioning Kashmir, actually they demonize anyone who does.

These are the political tactics of the Islamist parties(not islamic parties). They change their stance based on the political situation. If tomorrow Pakistan becomes very powerful then they will sing songs for Pakistan but then will change their stance again depending on your strength. Very cunning like the west

 

[Falcon29]

Depends on your definition of terrorist, but in Syria and Libya, they most definitely are.

In the US, they are part of the Western liberal pro-LGBT alliance with their prominent members like Linda Sarsour, Omar Suleman, CAIR, and have much influence in MAS, ISNA, ICNA, etc.

In Egypt, they were anti-Western and anti-Israel, this is why the US replaced them.

They were not anti-West, where are you getting that from? They were pro-Islamic renaissance in the ME region, that does not mean anti-West. There is nothing wrong with having ties with Europe or the US, however it's upon the Middle Easterners who obey God and restore security in the region by uprooting the oppressors. If a select few of Western nations aide those oppressors, then they can be rightfully opposed. While remaining dozens of Western nations have nothing to do with that.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

These are the political tactics of the Islamist parties(not islamic parties). They change their stance based on the political situation. If tomorrow Pakistan becomes very powerful then they will sing songs for Pakistan but then will change their stance again depending on your strength. Very cunning like the west

The same thing happened to Maulana Maududi's Jamat e Islami after he died. It went from being a religious organization with a political wing, to being a political party which gave token service to Islam. They legitimized dictatorships and formed coalitions with secular parties to stay in power.

Eventually, PTI (nationalist Islamic based party) came into power and sidelined them in their bases in Karachi, North Punjab, and KPK. They were caught in corruption scandals and kicked from PTI's coalition in KPK.

 

[Falcon29]

How are they terrorists?

This guy is Shia.

 

[Yankee-stani]

These are the political tactics of the Islamist parties(not islamic parties). They change their stance based on the political situation. If tomorrow Pakistan becomes very powerful then they will sing songs for Pakistan but then will change their stance again depending on your strength. Very cunning like the west

And that's why they are losers people prefer consistent voice not two faced hypocrites what's better in supporting so called Islamists parties when they say something then do nothing in the US MB operates as CAIR or MPAC

 

[Falcon29]

In the US, their leaders tend to be pro-Indian and anti-Pakistan, as they view Pakistan as a threat to their influence. You will never see them mentioning Kashmir, actually they demonize anyone who does.

There's no Muslim Brotherhood in the US, first of all. Secondly, can you give us names of these 'leaders' who are supposedly anti-Pakistan?

Lying in Ramadan is a quadruple sin. Get your act together.

 

[Numerous]

This guy is Shia.

Na he isn't bro. He's an oright guy. But he leans a bit too much into the Iran camp sometimes because he believes they are similar/capable of unity etc...

 

[Falcon29]

Na he isn't bro. He's an oright guy. But he leans a bit too much into the Iran camp sometimes because he believes they are similar/capable of unity etc...

I don't have issues with Shia but I don't believe him, for me is a Shia hiding his background. Which is why he has these strange views. Supposedly a pan-Muslim guy but demonizes two already demonized scholars/activists in the US that are born in the US and don't know anything about the MB.

And he's making up a lot of stuff. Smearing CAIR, which is a support group for American Muslims and works to protect their civil rights. They are involved in nothing else. What is this guy on?

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PS: Related to topic, I would be shocked if Saudi Arabia carried out the executions. Btw, people here falsely claim they are MB scholars, they are actually Salafi clerics. One of them made mistake of urging reconciliation between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Numerous]

I don't have issues with Shia but I don't believe him, for me is a Shia hiding his background. Which is why he has these strange views. Supposedly a pan-Muslim guy but demonizes two already demonized scholars/activists in the US that are born in the US and don't know anything about the MB.

And he's making up a lot of stuff. Smearing CAIR, which is a support group for American Muslims and works to protect their civil rights. They are involved in nothing else. What is this guy on?

Oh no bro, you'd be surprised, the pakistani public were actually shown to be 70%+ in favour of Iran in a survey taken in the past few years. Many people legitimately think of Iran as a friend of pakistan or a positive Muslim nation (although that is slowly changing). He is definitely not shia, his politics are just a bit off at times.

I don't know which activists, I wasn't reading the full thread sorry. Perhaps he recognizes that CAIR as an organisation which does do good but he was maybe criticising some of their stances (e.g. on lgbt) etc. I don't really know much about CAIR other than mainly what I've read from Daniel Haqiqatjou.

PS: Related to topic, I would be shocked if Saudi Arabia carried out the executions. Btw, people here falsely claim they are MB scholars, they are actually Salafi clerics. One of them made mistake of urging reconciliation between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Yes unfortunately it may happen, I don't think MBS is fond of people who don't tow his line.

 

[Falcon29]

Depends on your definition of terrorist, but in Syria and Libya, they most definitely are.

Muslim Brotherhood of Libya is mostly based in Misrata. Muslim Brotherhood of Syria was in form of Liwa Al Tawhid which is now dissolved. The groups in Syria aren't Muslim Brotherhood, they are FSA and other Islamists. But, guys like you despise Islamists just for the idea, even if they are bad actors, that is not the reason you oppose them. You oppose the idea of establishing Islam. Just like pro-Assad, pro-MBS, pro-Haftar, pro-Sisi, etc.... They prefer Islam's role to be reduced to private spirituality only. I'm against a lot of Islamist and non-Islamist entities too, however I do not oppose establishing Islam if it is done right.

Oh no bro, you'd be surprised, the pakistani public were actually shown to be 70%+ in favour of Iran in a survey taken in the past few years. Many people legitimately think of Iran as a friend of pakistan or a positive Muslim nation (although that is slowly changing). He is definitely not shia, his politics are just a bit off at times.

I don't know which activists, I wasn't reading the full thread sorry. Perhaps he recognizes that CAIR as an organisation which does do good but he was maybe criticising some of their stances (e.g. on lgbt) etc. I don't really know much about CAIR other than mainly what I've read from Daniel Haqiqatjou.

CAIR is basically a group of American Muslims that manage American Muslim affairs in the states and stay on top of Islamophobia/civil rights violations issues in the US. I'm not sure what this @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan guy expects of them. They are American , born and raised, and plan to live there forever, does he expect them to get involved in foreign affairs and call for caliphate to be established or what? They are ordinary people, such big affairs for the whole Ummah should be left to Allah(SWT) and select righteous Muslims when Allah deems it.

And yes I do know some are in favor of relations with Iran, nothing wrong with that. Expect the ones who think everything they do is right. No one is perfect.

 

[PakAlp]

The Islamist parties agenda and political tactics baffle me. They claim to hate the west and it's values but do everything that benefits the western political ambitions.

The west wanted the war in Libya and wanted Gaddafi removed and most of the propaganda done against Gaddafi and for the war was done by the islamist. Once the attacks started then they knew the war has started so they started to say "West leave our countries alone".
The same was done in Iraq. Saddam was poison to them and once the war started and he was removed then they started to publish "leave our Muslim nations" "War for oil".
The exact same was done for Syria. They declared Bashar Al Assad as non Muslim and wanted Muslim to fight jihad.

They are either naive or traitors. Their supporters are good people, I met them but I think their higher up misguide them.

They tried to do the same with Pakistan when musharaff was in power. Said Musharaff is sellout. Musharaff will sell our nuclear weapons, army is sell out etc. But no major jihad happened so they went quiet after major campaigns and propaganda failed.

Since the Qatar and Saudi divorce I've witness and surprisingly they have gone against Saudi Arabia. A lot of articles and propaganda is published against Saudi Arabia and am sure this must upset Saudi a lot and they are going after them.

I don't see things improving unless Saudi and Qatar make up, the unfortunate killings will continue.

What baffles me the most is how can they use religion to justify all this. This is why I see a big difference between a person who is a Muslim and a politician and a person who is an Islamist. One is just a Muslim and he wants to do politics but the other does politics using Islam as a tool. What ever he/she says and does is legitimate Islamic cause, anybody who opposes them is opposing Islam.

I fully oppose the death sentence against these scholars. Be it they salafis or MB. The Saudi royals are panacking and have gone on a mad killing mode.