Russia’s Natural Population Declines for 4th Straight Year

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Don't say that, I'm sure there's someone out there for you.

Have hope mate, looks and intelligence aren't everything, you'll find one eventually.

As long as it's not an indian..........

 

[Mista]

All simple predictions are stupid.

One thing for sure is, as long as your TFR remains below 2.1 your population will be in an irreversible long term decline without immigration.

 

[Paul2]

Germany, a highly developed country with just 80m people, can't attract enough quality immigrants to make up for their demographic shortfall.

They are not trying hard enough

 

[LeGenD]

Russians need to revisit their family values, and Russian state should pay serious attention to the wellbeing of Russian family units.

Greatest drawback of increasingly secular form of governance is that it does nothing to promote family values - this is why religions do not have a substitute.

Immigrants cannot fix a flawed statehood.

 

[beijingwalker]

The biggest mistake Russia made was to trust US and the west and try to transform Russia the western way in everything in the 1990's. China warned USSR not to go down that path, but they didn't listen.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Even with a relatively high TFR of 1.8 currently, Russia is experiencing a long-term population decline and its population could halve by the end of the century.

Low TFR is going to pose huge challenges to East Asian countries in coming decades.

Unfortunately too many of their great minds have fled to the US and Israel. I have yet to meet one who wants to go back. Russia is in big trouble and building a bunch of new skyscrapers in Moscow to show they are a 21st Century modern country isn’t going to solve it.

 

[nahtanbob]

Russians need to revisit their family values, and Russian state should pay serious attention to the wellbeing of Russian family units.

Greatest drawback of increasingly secular form of governance is that it does nothing to promote family values - this is why religions do not have a substitute.

Immigrants cannot fix a flawed statehood.

try to reverse seven decades of communism

 

[beijingwalker]

try to reverse seven decades of communism

They would still be a superpower if they didn't fall to the western trick which broke them into pieces.

 

[nahtanbob]

They would still be a superpower if they didn't fall to the western trick which broke them into pieces.

what trick ?

They got rid of Central Asian Republics which are a burden on the treasury. Belarus is a client state. Ukraine was one until recently. They lost the Baltics, Armenia and Georgia - hardily a disaster.

Russia's problem is that they lost 3-4 million educated people to USA, Israel and West. That is good chunk of their intellectual elite.

 

[beijingwalker]

what trick ?

They got rid of Central Asian Republics which are a burden on the treasury. Belarus is a client state. Ukraine was one until recently. They lost the Baltics, Armenia and Georgia - hardily a disaster.

Russia's problem is that they lost 3-4 million educated people to USA, Israel and West. That is good chunk of their intellectual elite.

USSR was a superpower respected or feared by the world, but today's Russia is not, this explains everything.

 

[nahtanbob]

USSR was a superpower respected or feared by the world, but today's Russia is not, this explains everything.

USSR was failing since the 1960s. By 1980s it was obvious to anyone who travelled to USA, Western Europe and USSR. Soviet Union could not compete with USA and its allies. One area: ability to make microelectronics - the West had a decade lead in technology by 1988

Now you can argue whether Gorbachev did the unwinding of Cold War in a right way

I may argue you do not care about communism in USSR. China is shit scared that Russia will join the Western alliance.
@beijingwalker

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

USSR was a superpower respected or feared by the world, but today's Russia is not, this explains everything.

Well the East has had a history of putting up walls so their smart people don’t flee to the West. When the USSR fell the smart people finally found a chance to run away and now Russia is just a shell of itself.

Even Putin begs people to move back to Russia from overseas and they all just laugh at him.

 

[beijingwalker]

USSR was failing since the 1960s. By 1980s it was obvious to anyone who travelled to USA, Western Europe and USSR. Soviet Union could not compete with USA and its allies. One area: ability to microelectronics - the West had a decade lead in technology by 1988

Now you can argue whether Gorbachev did the unwinding of Cold War in a right way

I may argue you do not care about communism in USSR. China is shit scared that Russia will join the Western alliance.
@beijingwalker

Gorbachev is the culprit for the fall of a great country, today's Russia is not even a fraction of what USSR achieved in all fields. China almost took the same disastrous path in 1989, but fortunately we had great leaders save the country and pulled her from the brink of that abyss.

 

[nahtanbob]

Gorbachev is the culprit for the fall of a great country, today's Russia is not even a fraction of what USSR achieved in all fields. China almost took the same disastrous path in 1989, but fortunately we had great leaders save the country and pulled her from the brink of that abyss.

USSR was failing badly in the 1980s. The communist leaders were seeing it. Gorbachev had no choice but to make drastic changes. You can argue about the exact course of action.

Leaving Eastern Europe was an absolute must to ending the Cold War.

 

[beijingwalker]

USSR was failing badly in the 1980s. The communist leaders were seeing it. Gorbachev had no choice but to make drastic changes. You can argue about the exact course of action.

Leaving Eastern Europe was an absolute must to ending the Cold War.

At least USSR was in a way better shape than China in the 1980s in everything, they just took the wrong path.