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Russia says its new weapon is 27 times faster than the speed of sound

Is not only speed, its speed with zig zag movement.

There is a reason PM of Russia has announced it and said that Russia has ensured security for the next several years to come.

Now do you want us to believe you or Russian PM?
Interceptors are not bullets, mind you. They are smart weapons with impressive maneuvering capabilities and cutting-edge sensor systems to obtain a lock on the incoming target, to ensure collision.

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American developers absolutely understand what kind of threats they are facing, and how to negate them. Do you have doubts about their scientific prowess?

Russian PM will champion Russian products [or] tell Russian citizens (hey look, we have developed this thing, but US have figured out a way to shoot it down. Don't worry, we have something, right?) Come on, bro.
 
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Laser can destroy hypersonic warhead as claimed by u.k
Thats bull crap.... That glide weapin doesnt have a warhead or fuel at that speed. Any lazer most powerful laser on earth wont be able to reach the temperatures to melt the whole thing... That warhead kills with kinetic energy .... No explosives needed.
Lasers my ***
 
kinetic energy impact is less and limited than nuclear warhead it is not wise to use icbm to destroy one building only laser can destroy any objects less than speed of light as laser travels with speed of light
Thats bull crap.... That glide weapin doesnt have a warhead or fuel at that speed. Any lazer most powerful laser on earth wont be able to reach the temperatures to melt the whole thing... That warhead kills with kinetic energy .... No explosives needed.
Lasers my ***
 
kinetic energy impact is less and limited than nuclear warhead it is not wise to use icbm to destroy one building only laser can destroy any objects less than speed of light as laser travels with speed of light

Hyper sonic glide weapons are meant to take out high value targets like S400 , S500 anti missile defences and or aircraft carrriers. Nukes get fired after Anti missile shields are taken out.. A lazer cant produce more heat than what the warhead is already experiencing upon entery into the atmosphere. The warheads material isnt even rrady yet. It can stand heats of phenomenal degrees. I doubt any lazer can burn it with in 5 minutes of its flight.
 
recently u.k claimed to have developed laser which can destroy hypersonic missiles air defenses cannot be completely destroyed as they may be hidden at different locations and may be in underground silos russia claimed that avenguard hypersonic glide vehicle can carry nukes
Hyper sonic glide weapons are meant to take out high value targets like S400 , S500 anti missile defences and or aircraft carrriers. Nukes get fired after Anti missile shields are taken out.. A lazer cant produce more heat than what the warhead is already experiencing upon entery into the atmosphere. The warheads material isnt even rrady yet. It can stand heats of phenomenal degrees. I doubt any lazer can burn it with in 5 minutes of its flight.
 
recently u.k claimed to have developed laser which can destroy hypersonic missiles air defenses cannot be completely destroyed as they may be hidden at different locations and may be in underground silos russia claimed that avenguard hypersonic glide vehicle can carry nukes

I guess we will findout in a few short years once the hypersonic missiles of that speed are practical.
 
Do you think I live in a cave?

American GMD interceptors have approached 7.0 km / sec mark in speed, and have shot down ICBM-class targets exceeding 5.0 km / sec in speed, in several complex tests. American Arleigh Burke class destroyers are also capable of defeating incredibly complex (and speedy) targets. Just because this stuff is not openly advertised, does not imply that American defenses are impotent.

I am telling you; it will not take US long to optimize its defenses to defeat Russian Avanguard warheads.

What Russia have demonstrated is incredibly impressive, but claims of invincibility are wrong. Russia cannot afford an arms race with US in the long-term due to massive disparity in the economy and R&D output of both. Do not pick a fight with somebody who is more resourceful than you - straightforward.
Be happy if that soothes your hurt ego if for example let suppose what you said is true (for argument's sake), so 5 km/s is still approx. half of what a 27 mach which means 9.18 km/s
 
Be happy if that soothes your hurt ego if for example let suppose what you said is true (for argument's sake), so 5 km/s is still approx. half of what a 27 mach which means 9.18 km/s
Why would my ego be hurt? LOL

Look, my friend. I am NOT suggesting that US will find it 'easy' to defeat a threat of this class. It is a challenge to defeat even Cold War era Scud variants in real-time (even entry-level MDS capability is uncommon in terms of deployment around the world at present), let alone Russian avangard. But we are talking about what US can do in this regard; American MDS technologies have come a long way since 1991, and US is much ahead of other countries in this spectrum of warfare, and they have experimented with very advanced targets over the course of years.

American agencies have fielded cutting-edge surveillance assets around the world, which are known to keep tabs on numerous activities of significance in real-time (including this kind of stuff), and they would be privy to exact velocity of this weapon system [this, in itself, is a major theme of discussion]. Russian leaders are expected to issue hyperbolic statements [in relation to Russian experiments] to uplift morale of Russian masses, and who will dispute them in public domain?

Anyways, interceptor system is not supposed to chase down a potential target during the course of its flight (GTA style). It is utilized in the manner that it will collide with the approaching target on its terms (point of impact calculations), and it just need to be fast enough for its job. To give you an idea:

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[1] Red bar represent flight path of the ICBM-class target.
[2] White bar represent flight path of the GMD interceptor.
 
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Why would my ego be hurt? LOL

Look, my friend. I am NOT suggesting that US will find it 'easy' to defeat a threat of this class. It is a challenge to defeat even Cold War era Scud variants in real-time (even entry-level MDS capability is uncommon in terms of deployment around the world at present), let alone Russian avangard. But we are talking about what US can do in this regard; American MDS technologies have come a long way since 1991, and US is much ahead of other countries in this spectrum of warfare, and they have experimented with very advanced targets over the course of years.

American agencies have fielded cutting-edge surveillance assets around the world, which are known to keep tabs on numerous activities of significance in real-time (including this kind of stuff), and they would be privy to exact velocity of this weapon system [this, in itself, is a major theme of discussion]. Russian leaders are expected to issue hyperbolic statements [in relation to Russian experiments] to uplift morale of Russian masses, and who will dispute them in public domain?

Anyways, interceptor system is not supposed to chase down a potential target during the course of its flight (GTA style). It is utilized in the manner that it will collide with a target on its terms (point of impact calculations), and it just need to be fast enough for its job. To give you an idea:

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[1] Red bar represent flight path of the target.
[2] White bar represent flight path of GMD interceptor.
Okay mate.. here I see your point but let me tell you that there is a law of diminishing results...do you know that it was not easy for A/C is break the sound barrier and even today very few A/C can fly a full mission a supersonic speeds... because it is pretty expensive.. and when you enter hypersonic regime..even increasing a speed by Mach 0.1 takes a lot energy and design iteration... so if USA has capability to achieve interception at 5 km/s...... it is impossible for it intercept something that is flying and twice the speed and can manoeuvre as well. One thing even my teachers at Embry-Riddle openly admitted that Russians have a superior understanding of the aerodynamics. Americans have advantage in electronics / avionics and materials and design but aerodynamics has been a forte of Russian designers.
 
Okay mate.. here I see your point but let me tell you that there is a law of diminishing results...do you know that it was not easy for A/C is break the sound barrier and even today very few A/C can fly a full mission a supersonic speeds... because it is pretty expensive.. and when you enter hypersonic regime..even increasing a speed by Mach 0.1 takes a lot energy and design iteration... so if USA has capability to achieve interception at 5 km/s...... it is impossible for it intercept something that is flying and twice the speed and can manoeuvre as well. One thing even my teachers at Embry-Riddle openly admitted that Russians have a superior understanding of the aerodynamics. Americans have advantage in electronics / avionics and materials and design but aerodynamics has been a forte of Russian designers.
US is building its defenses with 'emerging threats' in mind, my friend.

A [smart] interceptor can defeat a much faster target due to its mechanics of engagement (timing; maneuverability; positioning; controls), and the probability of intercept increases with a "salvo shot." For instance, two SM-6 supersonic maneuverable interceptors [salvo shot] neutralized a much faster IRBM-class target in a complex experiment in 2017 (FTM-27 E2). Their are so many variables to consider, and explain.

GMD interceptors are 3-stage solid-fueled [smart] hypersonic kill vehicles, and are designed to defeat ICBM-class targets in midcourse phase (a stage of flight in which an ICBM-class target have achieved its peak velocity). 5 km/s velocity is not even close to stressing their probability of intercept, IMHO.

"The GBI consists of a 3-stage solid rocket boost vehicle which can place it's payload of an Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle outside the earth's atmosphere. In order to do this the missile must reach an escape velocity of more than 6.9 miles per second. This hypersonic speed is several times what a 7.62mm bullet travels leaving the muzzle of a gun. To put it another way, it reaches a speed of approximately Mach 33."

Source: https://www.army.mil/article/175024/groundbased_midcourse_defense_the_ultimate_smart_weapon

"The GBI is a silo-launched exoatmospheric missile that uses kinetic energy to intercept and destroy an ICBM in space at speeds exceeding 27,500 kph."

Source: http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...fense/gbi-booster-and-kill-vehicle-evolution/

Capability already exist in theory, and optimizations will continue.

Anyways, DARPA is developing a new class of [smart] hypersonic interceptors to defeat Russian Avangard type threats in both exo- and endo- atmospheric conditions, nicknamed "Glide Breakers." These will be unveiled in the 2020s.
 
US is building its defenses with 'emerging threats' in mind, my friend.

A [smart] interceptor can defeat a much faster target due to its mechanics of engagement (timing; maneuverability; positioning; controls), and the probability of intercept increases with a "salvo shot." For instance, two SM-6 supersonic maneuverable interceptors [salvo shot] neutralized a much faster IRBM-class target in a complex experiment in 2017 (FTM-27 E2). Their are so many variables to consider, and explain.

GMD interceptors are 3-stage solid-fueled [smart] hypersonic kill vehicles, and are designed to defeat ICBM-class targets in midcourse phase (a stage of flight in which an ICBM-class target have achieved its peak velocity). 5 km/s velocity is not even close to stressing their probability of intercept, IMHO.

"The GBI consists of a 3-stage solid rocket boost vehicle which can place it's payload of an Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle outside the earth's atmosphere. In order to do this the missile must reach an escape velocity of more than 6.9 miles per second. This hypersonic speed is several times what a 7.62mm bullet travels leaving the muzzle of a gun. To put it another way, it reaches a speed of approximately Mach 33."

Source: https://www.army.mil/article/175024/groundbased_midcourse_defense_the_ultimate_smart_weapon

"The GBI is a silo-launched exoatmospheric missile that uses kinetic energy to intercept and destroy an ICBM in space at speeds exceeding 27,500 kph."

Source: http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...fense/gbi-booster-and-kill-vehicle-evolution/

Capability already exist in theory, and optimizations will continue.

Anyways, DARPA is developing a new class of [smart] hypersonic interceptors to defeat Russian Avangard type threats in both exo- and endo- atmospheric conditions, nicknamed "Glide Breakers." These will be unveiled in the 2020s.
I don't think that Russia and China are sitting idle either... so right now USA does not have anything to stop it and when (and IF ever) it will reach a point where it can stop such a glide vehicle with an 80% probability, Russia and China would have developed something even superior so there is much for you in store.
 
Russia says its new weapon is 27 times faster than the speed of sound
By: Vladimir Isachenkov, The Associated Press   1 day ago
new strategic weapon has rendered any missile defenses useless at a small fraction of their cost, officials said Thursday.

The Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle flies 27 times faster than the speed of sound, making it impossible to intercept, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Russian state television.
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The new weapon “essentially makes missile defenses useless,” he said.


Putin oversees hypersonic weapon test, says it’s ‘invulnerable’
No country's missile defense can stop it, Russian leader says.

By: Vladimir Isachenkov, The Associated Press
Borisov spoke a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin oversaw what he described as the conclusive successful test of the Avangard and hailed it as a reliable guarantee of Russia's security for decades to come.
By: Vladimir Isachenkov, The Associated Press   1 day ago
new strategic weapon has rendered any missile defenses useless at a small fraction of their cost, officials said Thursday.

The Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle flies 27 times faster than the speed of sound, making it impossible to intercept, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Russian state television.

The new weapon “essentially makes missile defenses useless,” he said.


Putin oversees hypersonic weapon test, says it’s ‘invulnerable’
No country's missile defense can stop it, Russian leader says.

By: Vladimir Isachenkov, The Associated Press
Borisov spoke a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin oversaw what he described as the conclusive successful test of the Avangard and hailed it as a reliable guarantee of Russia's security for decades to come.

In Wednesday’s test, the weapon was launched from the Dombarovskiy missile base in the southern Ural Mountains. The Kremlin said it successfully hit a practice target on the Kura shooting range on Kamchatka, 3,700 miles away.

The Defense Ministry released footage from the test launch, in which a ballistic missile could be seen blasting from a silo in a cloud of smoke, but it hasn't released any images of the vehicle itself.

Putin said the Avangard will enter service with the Russian Strategic Missile Forces next year.

The test comes amid bitter tensions in Russia-U.S. relations, which have been strained over the Ukrainian crisis, the war in Syria and the allegations of Moscow’s meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Sergei Ivanov, a former Russian defense minister, said in televised comments that the Avangard constantly changes its course and altitude as it flies through the atmosphere.

He emphasized that unlike previous nuclear warheads fitted to intercontinental ballistic missiles that follow a predictable trajectory allowing it to calculate the spot where they can be intercepted, the Avangard chaotically zigzags on its path to its target, making it impossible to predict the weapon’s location.

A smiling Ivanov likened the weapon's flight through the atmosphere to a pebble skipping off the surface of water.

Ivanov, who now serves as Putin's adviser, said the Avangard could be fitted to the Soviet-made UR-100UTTKh intercontinental ballistic missile, which is code-named SS-19 Stiletto by NATO.

He noted that Russia has a stockpile of several dozen such missiles, which are in a factory-mint condition and not filled with fuel, allowing them to serve for a long time to come. Ivanov added that they could be put in existing silos, sharply reducing the costs of Avangard's deployment.

"The Avangard has cost hundreds of times less than what the U.S. has spent on its missile defense," Ivanov said.

He noted that Russia began to develop the Avangard after the U.S. started to develop defenses against ballistic missiles.

Moscow feared that the U.S. missile shield could erode its nuclear deterrent, and Putin announced in 2004 that Russia was working on a new hypersonic weapon.

Ivanov recalled that when Russian officials warned their U.S. counterparts about the new weapon program at the time, American officials were openly skeptical about Russia's ability to carry out its plan.

“We aren’t involved in saber-rattling, we simply ensured our security for decades to come,” he said.

In Wednesday’s test, the weapon was launched from the Dombarovskiy missile base in the southern Ural Mountains. The Kremlin said it successfully hit a practice target on the Kura shooting range on Kamchatka, 3,700 miles away.

The Defense Ministry released footage from the test launch, in which a ballistic missile could be seen blasting from a silo in a cloud of smoke, but it hasn't released any images of the vehicle itself.

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Putin said the Avangard will enter service with the Russian Strategic Missile Forces next year.

The test comes amid bitter tensions in Russia-U.S. relations, which have been strained over the Ukrainian crisis, the war in Syria and the allegations of Moscow’s meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Sergei Ivanov, a former Russian defense minister, said in televised comments that the Avangard constantly changes its course and altitude as it flies through the atmosphere.

He emphasized that unlike previous nuclear warheads fitted to intercontinental ballistic missiles that follow a predictable trajectory allowing it to calculate the spot where they can be intercepted, the Avangard chaotically zigzags on its path to its target, making it impossible to predict the weapon’s location.

A smiling Ivanov likened the weapon's flight through the atmosphere to a pebble skipping off the surface of water.

Ivanov, who now serves as Putin's adviser, said the Avangard could be fitted to the Soviet-made UR-100UTTKh intercontinental ballistic missile, which is code-named SS-19 Stiletto by NATO.

He noted that Russia has a stockpile of several dozen such missiles, which are in a factory-mint condition and not filled with fuel, allowing them to serve for a long time to come. Ivanov added that they could be put in existing silos, sharply reducing the costs of Avangard's deployment.

"The Avangard has cost hundreds of times less than what the U.S. has spent on its missile defense," Ivanov said.

He noted that Russia began to develop the Avangard after the U.S. started to develop defenses against ballistic missiles.

Moscow feared that the U.S. missile shield could erode its nuclear deterrent, and Putin announced in 2004 that Russia was working on a new hypersonic weapon.

Ivanov recalled that when Russian officials warned their U.S. counterparts about the new weapon program at the time, American officials were openly skeptical about Russia's ability to carry out its plan.

“We aren’t involved in saber-rattling, we simply ensured our security for decades to come,” he said.
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i've read 2 relevant news-reports from the US side.
1 : they're setting up a space defense branch of their military
2 : they already know how to defend against hypersonics of any speed, namely from space and probably not with lasers.

my point here is, dear US and Russian leaderships : arms races like this produce cool tech (meaning it has civilian applications too), but are crazy expensive.
maybe you superpower leaderships need to grow up, and establish a treaty that limits anti-ICBM and anti-nuke defenses to be numerically *inferior* to nuclear weapons themselves. i say that because i believe the M.A.D. principle to have saved us many a "minor" / proxy war.
 

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