Russia rejects Pakistan request for 50,000 AK rifles, assures India of no deals in future

[HAIDER]

Is this news fake? Can anyone throw light on it?

Sure , why not , Russian willing to sell S400 and attack helicopter but not this gun ... lol.. does't have some friend and foe pod installed.

 

[war&peace]

Why is india so insecure and keeps need reassurance?

Because of her DNA

 

[maximuswarrior]

LOL the Russians sell us fighter jet engines and helicopters and these Indians want us to believe that AK's weren't sold. Stupid silly bastards.

Because India is on a roll on portray Pakistan as a menace to world peace and not just a problem for India?

Your India didn't do much of a splendid job at ICJ and on the 27th I can assure you. LOL at menace to world peace. Ask Donald Trump who is dying to see Imran Khan at the White House.

If your India really means what it says it should try blocking other more important Russian defence sales to Pakistan. Silly bastard.

LOL the Russians are playing these numbnut Indians like never before. Very easy to get these rapemaniacs excited LOL

The reality is, Russia (along with the West) always sees India as a hedge/balancer against China, no matter how good the relations between Moscow and Beijing are. All P4 countries are wary that China will one day become too powerful for them to contain. Therefore all of them all trying to prop up India. Russia envisions a multi-polar world where India would play a big part along with China (and itself, of course). Russia's biggest fear, besides NATO, is that China, with all of its economic and military might would be able to annex the resource-rich Siberia; or just buy it out, essentially turning Russia into its vassal state. Therefore, while Russia provides military hardware to China (to counter the US in SCS), it also provides India with same equipment in hopes that it would counter China. But we all know where most of India's military procurements end up i.e, near Pakistan's border. India, unlike Pakistan, pisses itself when thinking about fighting a much more powerful neighbor.

In short, Russia values its relations with India far more than it does with Pakistan. So forget about acquiring high-tech or offensive weaponry from Russia for a very long time. The only meaningful thing Pakistan can provide Russia is access to the Indian ocean via the Gwadar port. But for that, a peaceful and stable Afghanistan (under Pakistan's influence) is the key. And that's a tall order for a country that has been mired in conflict for nearly half a century.

Everyone is playing everyone.

You think this rule of propping up only applies to India? India has nothing on offer. In fact by admitting that China is a danger to the West you are already admitting Chinese superiority and Indian inferiority. After all, one only gets fearful of someone if a nation possesses the means to pose a serious challange. Secondly, India is not even a second fiddle, but only a pawn which certain countries abuse to their advantage to contain more powerful nations. Why else would the West trust a piss poor rapist nation like Hindustan that rapes white females at every opportunity it gets. Besides, where did it get the West/Russia with supposedly propping up India? LOL Today China is a bloody gigantic economic behemoth. Poems could be written to glorify Chinese magnificence.

What the Russians might be doing to China, the Chinese are also doing to Russia and others multiplied by a factor 10. Welcome to the world of realpolitiks. China didn't get this big and powerful by acting like a silent lamb. The best the West is achieving is by stoking more anger and resentment against China. That in turn is turning China more powerful and exceptionally vigilant. That's the power of a dragon. You cannot tame or contain a dragon. You can only piss it off more.

Wanna see what real clout looks like? Look at the West begging Islamic nations to condemn China LOL When the Western nations write a politically motivated letter at the UN to condemn so-called oppression against Chinese Muslims, the very next day many more Islamic countries write a letter in support of China. That is clout by virtue of power.

As for Pakistan Russia relations, we would rather have better than strenuous relations. This is already a massive win for Pakistan. Especially considering how Pakistan wrongfully sided with the West to unleash a Cold War against former USSR. To come back from such a non-existing and toxic state of relations to normalizing ties is nothing short of miraculous. We might not be getting S-400 or Su-35, but we are getting Russian jet engines, more economic trade and most importantly TRUST between both nations. That is good enough for Pakistan because China provides the rest anyway. Whatever India gets from Russia, China gets from Russia on a scale multiplied by 100. Pakistan is not missing out on anything.

 

[925boy]

Indian source...do I need to say more?

yes, because your assertion "Indian source" is a fallacy. Being Indian =/= false news. counter the message, not the messenger.

 

[maximuswarrior]

yes, because your assertion "Indian source" is a fallacy. Being Indian =/= false news. counter the message, not the messenger.

It is false news by default.

Indian news aimed at Pakistan reeks with dishonesty and biased reporting. Don't tell me you would consider Indian reporting on anything Pakistan as remotely credible.

 

[925boy]

The reality is, Russia (along with the West) always sees India as a hedge/balancer against China, no matter how good the relations between Moscow and Beijing are. All P4 countries are wary that China will one day become too powerful for them to contain. Therefore all of them all trying to prop up India. Russia envisions a multi-polar world where India would play a big part along with China (and itself, of course). Russia's biggest fear, besides NATO, is that China, with all of its economic and military might would be able to annex the resource-rich Siberia; or just buy it out, essentially turning Russia into its vassal state. Therefore, while Russia provides military hardware to China (to counter the US in SCS), it also provides India with same equipment in hopes that it would counter China. But we all know where most of India's military procurements end up i.e, near Pakistan's border. India, unlike Pakistan, pisses itself when thinking about fighting a much more powerful neighbor.

In short, Russia values its relations with India far more than it does with Pakistan. So forget about acquiring high-tech or offensive weaponry from Russia for a very long time. The only meaningful thing Pakistan can provide Russia is access to the Indian ocean via the Gwadar port. But for that, a peaceful and stable Afghanistan (under Pakistan's influence) is the key. And that's a tall order for a country that has been mired in conflict for nearly half a century.

I dont believe its about Russia seeing India as a balance of China(i think this is plausible, not not the main motivation).

Its all about CASH imo. Russia is saying no to Pakistan's weapon orders so India wont cancel or reduce any future huge defense orders. India is spending ALOT on weapons and Russia doesnt want to jeopardize that, especially with US pressure + CAATSA threats + Israeli defense products.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I dont believe its about Russia seeing India as a balance of China(i think this is plausible, not not the main motivation).

Its all about CASH imo. Russia is saying no to Pakistan's weapon orders so India wont cancel or reduce any future huge defense orders. India is spending ALOT on weapons and Russia doesnt want to jeopardize that, especially with US pressure + CAATSA threats + Israeli defense products.

You believe this news when you know that Russia supplies far more superior weapons to Pakistan. Get real.

LOL why the fvck would Russia not supply some AK rifles when it already supplies far more sensitive weaponry. The whole argument falls flat.

 

[CIA Mole]

pak can't make its own AK's?

 

[denel]

It will happen. This is a small order.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Is this news fake? Can anyone throw light on it?

they said to turd injuns that they wont sell ak but only assault choppers to PAK.

 

[Cygnus Black]

Especially considering how Pakistan wrongfully sided with the West to unleash a Cold War against former USSR

I mostly agree with your post except this part. It was the need of the time. Far more than the West, it was Pakistan's own compulsion that drove us to rally the world around into supporting Jihad in Afghanistan. Imagine being squeezed between a Soviet-allied India - our mortal enemy, to our East and an already hostile Afghanistan -now taken over by the Soviets, to our West. That was a REAL existential threat to US - not the Americans sitting 10000 kms away. Add in full throttle support by all these countries for Pashtunistan, Baloch insurgency, local Marxists etc. In fact, it was us who goaded the Americans into supporting us by playing into their fears. (commies at the mouth of Persian Gulf, etc.)

While it was just another chapter in the Cold War struggle between the two Superpowers, the war was very personal to us. We gained a lot from this war though:

• Our geostrategic importance has significantly increased. Today we have the means by which we can influence events well outside our borders - something which wasn't possible before the war. In 1978, we had almost zero influence in Afghanistan. In 2001, almost 80% of Afghanistan was under our indirect influence. And despite the setbacks in the past 18 years, we continue to hold the key to peace in Afghanistan.
  
• We became the masters at proxy wars, which has enabled us to create troubles (and hence gain leverage) in all our neighboring countries, barring China.
• Before the war, nobody knew about ISI. Today its name alone instill fear in the hearts of our enemies.
• Experience gained from the war helped us in igniting insurgency in Indian Punjab and then a full-blown independence movement in Kashmir.
• Without the US supporting us during this entire war, and hence turning a blind eye to our nuclear program, we could have never hoped to achieve our dream of becoming a nuclear power. Because right after their job was done and the Soviets withdrew, they immediately slapped us with Pressler sanctions (which had little effect by the way, as we had already developed and cold-tested a nuclear device by that time). Fortunately, the war provided us with this golden opportunity to carry on with our nuclear program at a rapid pace, right under CIA's nose, without them being able to do anything about it.

 

[Humble Analyst]

The reality is, Russia (along with the West) always sees India as a hedge/balancer against China, no matter how good the relations between Moscow and Beijing are. All P4 countries are wary that China will one day become too powerful for them to contain. Therefore all of them all trying to prop up India. Russia envisions a multi-polar world where India would play a big part along with China (and itself, of course). Russia's biggest fear, besides NATO, is that China, with all of its economic and military might would be able to annex the resource-rich Siberia; or just buy it out, essentially turning Russia into its vassal state. Therefore, while Russia provides military hardware to China (to counter the US in SCS), it also provides India with same equipment in hopes that it would counter China. But we all know where most of India's military procurements end up i.e, near Pakistan's border. India, unlike Pakistan, pisses itself when thinking about fighting a much more powerful neighbor.

In short, Russia values its relations with India far more than it does with Pakistan. So forget about acquiring high-tech or offensive weaponry from Russia for a very long time. The only meaningful thing Pakistan can provide Russia is access to the Indian ocean via the Gwadar port. But for that, a peaceful and stable Afghanistan (under Pakistan's influence) is the key. And that's a tall order for a country that has been mired in conflict for nearly half a century.

One thing is for sure nobody thinks India will be a threat so the West and others support India against China. Is it successful deception by India or they are benign?

Because India is on a roll on portray Pakistan as a menace to world peace and not just a problem for India?

Very good point and this is a fact.
It is high time Pakistan understood this.

 

[jupiter2007]

Fake news by Indians just to make them feel good.

 

[American Pakistani]

yes, because your assertion "Indian source" is a fallacy. Being Indian =/= false news. counter the message, not the messenger.

India is largest fake news producer of the world.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

wasnt Pak Army checking this rifle CZ 807

Thats a scar.

wasnt Pak Army checking this rifle CZ 807

And I'm honestly not sure what the soldier is trying to hit with the iron sites folded,LOL.