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The guided-missile cruiser USS Monterey, which is taking part in annual joint military exercises conducted by NATO and Ukraine, is an integral part of U.S. plans to create a missile shield in Europe, which Russia opposes.
Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement Sunday saying Russia “has repeatedly stressed that we will not leave unnoticed any elements of U.S. strategic infrastructure in the immediate vicinity of our borders and will consider any such steps as a threat to our security.”
Russia agreed to consider NATO’s proposal last fall to cooperate on the missile shield, but insisted the system be run jointly. NATO rejected that demand and no compromise has been found yet.
Russia objects to US warship in Black Sea because of its role in planned missile shield - The Washington Post

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Will China Aid Russia in this new Coming Cold war ?
 
The guided-missile cruiser USS Monterey, which is taking part in annual joint military exercises conducted by NATO and Ukraine, is an integral part of U.S. plans to create a missile shield in Europe, which Russia opposes.
Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement Sunday saying Russia “has repeatedly stressed that we will not leave unnoticed any elements of U.S. strategic infrastructure in the immediate vicinity of our borders and will consider any such steps as a threat to our security.”
Russia agreed to consider NATO’s proposal last fall to cooperate on the missile shield, but insisted the system be run jointly. NATO rejected that demand and no compromise has been found yet.
Russia objects to US warship in Black Sea because of its role in planned missile shield - The Washington Post

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Will China Aid Russia in this new Coming Cold war ?

Whatever happens, China and Russia will still be strong political allies due to the nature of America's aggressive foreign policy. With Poland now allowing the U.S. to have a permanent airbase there, it will only further strengthen the Sino-Russo ties. Problem is how long can the ailing American economy tank its expanding military presence globally. Russia and China as strong military and emerging economies will have no trouble playing along and stretching their games.
 
Russia concerned over US warship participation in Black Sea drills


12/06/2011


MOSCOW, June 12 (Itar-Tass) —— Russia’s Foreign Ministry on Sunday voiced concern over the participation of the U.S. guided missile cruiser Monterrey equipped with the AEGIS ballistic missile defence system in the Ukrainian-U.S. naval drills in the Black Sea.

“The Russian side has repeatedly stressed that we shall not leave unnoticed any elements of U.S. strategic infrastructure in the immediate vicinity of our borders and that we shall take such steps as a threat to our security,” the ministry said in its statement. “We have to state that our concerns are still being ignored and that screened by talk about cooperation in the area of anti-missile defence this very anti-missile shield configuration is being formed in Europe, while we have repeatedly warned our U.S. and NATO partners about its dangerous consequences. Moreover, it is being done blatantly as though to demonstrate Russia that no one is going to take its opinion into consideration. Such an approach in no way promotes joint efforts to outline the concept and architecture of the future missile defence system in Europe, as was agreed in Lisbon and at meetings between the Russian and U.S. presidents.”

“The mere fact that the very first phase of the U.S. administration’s ‘adaptive approach’ is accompanied by such ‘surprises’ testifies to the high level of strategic vagueness the U.S. missile defence program creates,” the Russian Foreign Ministry went on. “The question is quite logic whether oral warranties that it is not targeted against Russia could be trusted.”

“U.S. missile cruiser’s reconnoitering of the Black Sea waters once again proves the necessity to spell out clear legal guarantees that anti-missile defence infrastructure that is being deployed in Europe is not targeted against Russia’s nuclear deterrence potential. Such guarantees should be based on objective criteria making it possible to see to it that missile defence systems meet their stated goals, i.e. to repel missile threats originating from outside Europe. It is likewise vital to ensure Russia’s equal participation in the development of the concept and architecture of the European missile defence system and to work out relevant measures of building up trust and transparency,” the statement said.

Monterrey was sent to European waters as part of the U.S. administration's ‘phased, adaptive approach’ to building the European segment of the global missile defence shield. The first stage of the program envisages the deployment of a group of U.S. warships in the Adriatic, Aegean and Mediterranean Seas to protect South Europe from possible missile strikes. Under an official U.S. version, these warships may enter the Black Sea in cases of necessity, such as aggravation of tensions in the region.

“Leaving aside the unsettled issue of a possible European missile defence system architecture in compliance with the Russia-NATO Lisbon summit decisions, we would like to know what kind of ‘aggravation’ the U.S. command meant by moving the basic strike unit of the regional missile defence grouping that the North Atlantic Alliance is forming in the region, from the Mediterranean to the east,” the ministry said. “If it is an ordinary visit to this extremely sensitive region, then it is unclear why a warship with this type of armament was chosen, and what kind of role Monterrey’s anti-missile systems were to play under the Sea Breeze-2011 scenario that aimed to drill a ‘NATO anti-piracy operation.”

“We were ready to talk all this over in Deauville. It is a pity we have failed. We shall continue our efforts to get a completely clear picture on these most serious issues at further talks with the United States and NATO,” the statement stressed.


ITAR-TASS : Russia concerned over US warship participation in Black Sea drills
 
The guided-missile cruiser USS Monterey, which is taking part in annual joint military exercises conducted by NATO and Ukraine, is an integral part of U.S. plans to create a missile shield in Europe, which Russia opposes.
Russia’s Foreign Ministry issued a statement Sunday saying Russia “has repeatedly stressed that we will not leave unnoticed any elements of U.S. strategic infrastructure in the immediate vicinity of our borders and will consider any such steps as a threat to our security.”
Russia agreed to consider NATO’s proposal last fall to cooperate on the missile shield, but insisted the system be run jointly. NATO rejected that demand and no compromise has been found yet.
Russia objects to US warship in Black Sea because of its role in planned missile shield - The Washington Post

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Russia will not be part of any new cold war but US could get counter action from Russian side. This type of irresponsible moves and war mongering will give US nothing but creates serious conflicts with Russians.
 
Russia will not be part of any new cold war but US could get counter action from Russian side. This type of irresponsible moves and war mongering will give US nothing but creates serious conflicts with Russians.
Nothing irresponsible about it; the Black Sea is international waters, not territorial waters. It isn't even unusual; while the U.S. allows its NATO allies to direct American land and air forces, I don't think the U.S. allows them to direct naval forces, save perhaps in exercises. I recall that France fifteen years ago wanted control of the Sixth Fleet and Bill Clinton turned them down.
 
@Solomon2,
Yes, technically Black Sea is 'international water' but things are not so black and white in the world. Wasn't Cuba a fully sovereign country in the early 60's and hence the full-right to allow the Soviet missiles especially after the Bay of Pigs? Wouldn't there be at least some justification by the Soviets to deploy their missiles in Cuba after the NATO had so many of their own so close to the USSR?
BTW, the Russian 'objections' to the missile shield are being voiced for a long time. I wonder when/if they decide to turn up the heat. Afghanistan is an easy picking if they want to pay back for the 80s.
 
@Solomon2,
Yes, technically Black Sea is 'international water' but things are not so black and white in the world. Wasn't Cuba a fully sovereign country in the early 60's and hence the full-right to allow the Soviet missiles especially after the Bay of Pigs? Wouldn't there be at least some justification by the Soviets to deploy their missiles in Cuba after the NATO had so many of their own so close to the USSR?
BTW, the Russian 'objections' to the missile shield are being voiced for a long time. I wonder when/if they decide to turn up the heat. Afghanistan is an easy picking if they want to pay back for the 80s.

Russia (or Venezuela or China for that matter) has a perfect right to try to put a nuclear missile base in Cuba. The USA has the perfect right to bomb the living hell out of any ship bringing nuclear missiles to Cuba, or any missile base that is constructed there. Everyone has a right of self-defense.
 
@TruthSeeker,
So what kind of world would that be if these rights of 'self defense' are exercised by great powers rather freely?
I think you are being gung-ho here. The Cuban Missile crises was averted because of sensible leadership from both sides. My understanding is that American missiles were removed (from Turkey) as quid pro quo? So much for beating the crap out.
Back to the topic: Why can't Russia be made a part of the missile shield if the real threat is Iran?
 
Back to the topic: Why can't Russia be made a part of the missile shield if the real threat is Iran?

Russia has been invited to be part of the missile shield. But, so far, Russia seems only to want to "join" in order to have a veto vote. The Russian leadership is still from the generations that fought the Cold War (at the lower and mid levels of the KGB and military at the time). They still sting from the collapse of the USSR and cannot overcome their disappointment with themselves sufficiently to start a new day with the West, yet. Probably it will take two more Russian generations before the scars of the USSR have been erased.
 
Russia has been invited to be part of the missile shield. But, so far, Russia seems only to want to "join" in order to have a veto vote. The Russian leadership is still from the generations that fought the Cold War (at the lower and mid levels of the KGB and military at the time). They still sting from the collapse of the USSR and cannot overcome their disappointment with themselves sufficiently to start a new day with the West, yet. Probably it will take two more Russian generations before the scars of the USSR have been erased.

Russia and NATO agreed to cooperate on the European missile shield during the NATO-Russia Council summit in Lisbon in November 2010. NATO insists there should be two independent systems that exchange information, while Russia favors a joint system with full-scale interoperability.

"If negotiations between NATO and Russia will only be used as a cover for a NATO-American missile defense system that ignores the Russian interests then of course we will have no choice but to take adequate measures to protect ourselves," Lavrov said in an interview with Russia Today international TV channel to be aired on Saturday.

Moscow insists on setting up a joint European missile defense network with NATO to make sure that the planned placement of elements of a U.S. missile defense system in a number of European countries will not threaten Russia's national security.


http://en.rian.ru/russia/20110203/162437100.html

Russia is expecting a reply from NATO to its proposals on building a European missile defense system, and will have to deploy a nuclear missile grouping if no agreement is reached, President Dmitry Medvedev said Monday.

"Our partners should realize that we need this not to play games together with NATO but for Russia to be properly defended. This is my duty as president..." he said at a meeting with Russia's envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin.

"We expect a direct and unambiguous answer from our NATO partners - where they see Russia's place [in the system of the European missile defense]," Medvedev said.

Russia and NATO agreed to cooperate in the creation of a joint missile defense shield in Europe during a NATO-Russia Council meeting in Lisbon in November last year. The parties agreed to formulate terms for missile defense cooperation by June 2011.

"Either we agree on certain principles with NATO and create a joint system to resolve missile defense tasks, or we do not agree, and then we will have to make a number of unpleasant decisions in the future regarding the deployment of a strike nuclear missile grouping," Medvedev said.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110124/162277101.html
 
Russia (or Venezuela or China for that matter) has a perfect right to try to put a nuclear missile base in Cuba. The USA has the perfect right to bomb the living hell out of any ship bringing nuclear missiles to Cuba, or any missile base that is constructed there. Everyone has a right of self-defense.

It means Russia has also total rights to bomb any US ship carrying missile system near its territory? as per your thinking! Put some logic in your post.
 
Russia (or Venezuela or China for that matter) has a perfect right to try to put a nuclear missile base in Cuba. The USA has the perfect right to bomb the living hell out of any ship bringing nuclear missiles to Cuba, or any missile base that is constructed there. Everyone has a right of self-defense.

Attacking a base that has not attacked you is not called "self defense". It's called provocation.
 
This is same example during Georgia Wars, Turkey allowed NATO ships including US warships deploying in Black sea. It was not pleasant by Russian reactions.

Russia can't do anything to counter it except convincing Ukraine.
 

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