Triggered i known truth hurtsthis is absolute nonsense and rubbish. They constantly attacked italian coastal cities, killed people, enslaved other and stole evrything they could get. They were disgusting pirates and nothing else.
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Triggered i known truth hurtsthis is absolute nonsense and rubbish. They constantly attacked italian coastal cities, killed people, enslaved other and stole evrything they could get. They were disgusting pirates and nothing else.
Yes, you are correct. The Muslim presence in Spain is only a figment of imagination in deranged minds.
Muslims have NEVER conquered any part of Europe, and NEVER ruled over any part of Europe
and especially not before the Crusades.
What excuses? I dont excuse anything. Too excuse something would mean i felt sorry for something.
I fully support the crusades back then. I´m Italian. What you expect? That i hail when enemies again and again bring suffering for my people? The crusades brought us peace and thats the important thing.
How do i say it? The fate of your people is absolute irrelevant for me. I want the best for my people.
Evrything that achieves this, no matter how extreme it appears, justifies this.
The crusades weakened the enemy that much that he was no longer able to attack us. We turned a defense into an offense, with all the advantages it brings.
I wasn't talking about that, I was taking about he was making excuses to justify the crusades. There is no justification for them whatsoever.
The whole objective of the crusades was to take the holy land, that never happened. You lost, there isn't much to celebrate.
The thing with the crusades is that it was only one part of the Christian world that participated. Truth is the barbarity of those Christians did not end at Muslims in fact it started with their own orthodox Christian brothers and sisters on their way to the holy land.


.I think most here ignore that the crusades were an asnwer to constant muslim agression against europe and mostly italy. The crusades ended this agression permamnent and brought safety to Italy and southern europe.
I agree. For 800 years muslims constantly attacked Italy, mostly small coast villages. Those constante attacks were the reason the Pope finally demanded a great war. The goal was to bring the war to their lands. Which was effective and in the end let their system collapse. When you look at it, they never recovered there.
Was attacking italian coast villages, murdering all people there humane from muslims? How long should italy accept this before it can strike back?
What excuses? I dont excuse anything. Too excuse something would mean i felt sorry for something.
I fully support the crusades back then. I´m Italian. What you expect? That i hail when enemies again and again bring suffering for my people? The crusades brought us peace and thats the important thing.
How do i say it? The fate of your people is absolute irrelevant for me. I want the best for my people.
Evrything that achieves this, no matter how extreme it appears, justifies this.
The crusades weakened the enemy that much that he was no longer able to attack us. We turned a defense into an offense, with all the advantages it brings.
The arab attacks ended. Is it important for us if it was one state or many when this threat ended finally? I dont think so.
Of course there are justification.
The conquest of one of the most holy places by another religion is a reason for war.
Persecution of non-muslims in that area fir 100s of years
Continuous aggression vs the Byzantine Empire by the Seljuks, seems to have triggered the whole thing.
Ever heard of the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
The remains are still left as the Maronites in Lebanon.
Seems like You do not have any cause to celebrate either considering todays situation.
I don't have any problems with Jerusalem beeing in control by the Jews.
Have already visited Jerusalem and the Christian holy places there, something
You are unlikely to be doing in Your lifetime.
The core of the Crusaders were the Normans, aka Vikings. They had but a Christian appearance.
What do You expect from Vikings.
A Blood Eagle, if you are lucky!
Of course there are justification.
The conquest of one of the most holy places by another religion is a reason for war.
Persecution of non-muslims in that area fir 100s of years
Continuous aggression vs the Byzantine Empire by the Seljuks, seems to have triggered the whole thing.
Ever heard of the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
The remains are still left as the Maronites in Lebanon.
Seems like You do not have any cause to celebrate either considering todays situation.
I don't have any problems with Jerusalem beeing in control by the Jews.
Have already visited Jerusalem and the Christian holy places there, something
You are unlikely to be doing in Your lifetime.
The core of the Crusaders were the Normans, aka Vikings. They had but a Christian appearance.
What do You expect from Vikings.
A Blood Eagle, if you are lucky!
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The Vandals were the forfathers of the Vikings.
On the contrary Europe started attacking muslims when muslims stopped attacking them.I think most here ignore that the crusades were an asnwer to constant muslim agression against europe and mostly italy. The crusades ended this agression permamnent and brought safety to Italy and southern europe.
I do not think MarkusS is a Roman. I do not think they exist anymore. Most likely have been race-mixed out.How about first you go and read about Roman Empire of yours which you surely would take alot of pride in?? How about reading more about your roman empire wars on different lands? you think after romans converted to christainity they stopped waging wars on others? You seriously need to READ YOUR HISTORY MATE before you point finger at others. and crusade was not a defensive move but rather an ofensive one, after crusades European went to every corner of the world and started colonising and forcefuly converted the natives everywhere they went to. So stop embarrasing yourself by making stupid excuses for the barbarism of crusaders.
@MarkusS @A.P. Richelieu ..Well guys IMHO you don't apologies for being a defensive force ..
Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204
Pope says sorry for sins of church
I wasn't talking about that, I was taking about he was making excuses to justify the crusades. There is no justification for them whatsoever.
The whole objective of the crusades was to take the holy land, that never happened. You lost, there isn't much to celebrate.
Its quite peaceful in Jerusalem. Isn´t it?Haven't I already debunked this?
The Crusades were a call by the pope to help the Byzantine Empire against the Seljuk Turks. Since they had captured Anatolia the Byzantine empire was in desperate Straits. It was not an answer to any aggression. By that time no-one had even bothered with Europe except the Andalusians and berbers.
Anyway it does not matter, you lost and to this day the Turks hold Anatolia. Must hurt doesn't it?
I do not think MarkusS is a Roman. I do not think they exist anymore. Most likely have been race-mixed out.
Was is not Hitler who said in Italy lies Rome but no Romans are to be found there?
On the contrary Europe started attacking muslims when muslims stopped attacking them.
We lost? The entire region broke apart to the state it has today. We conquered the world...You have Aleppo and Damacscus and last time i checked we have the holy land.Its quite peaceful in Jerusalem. Isn´t it?
What does hurt? To be a 1st world country and not own a shithole?
I think you may notice that nobody in Europe wants Anatolia. It tries to become a member of EU since 50 years and is kept out. God beware us to step into this hellhole.
Quite bullshit, since genetic studies say there was almost no genetic flow and our DNA is virtually the same as back then in roman empire.
And? Thats what you must do to secure future. Stomp down on the enemy so he never is a threat anymore