That's my point ....You did not answer the second part of my question ....?Hi,
A lot of pressure was put on the F22 / F35 manufacturer to install the gun---and not the F4's---
The Phantom got it due to the poor performance of its missiles.
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That's my point ....You did not answer the second part of my question ....?Hi,
A lot of pressure was put on the F22 / F35 manufacturer to install the gun---and not the F4's---
The Phantom got it due to the poor performance of its missiles.
that was decades ago well before many of us were even born. times have changed missiles were not that accurate and advanced. now you got WVR off bore sight capable missiles which no guns can match.That what American did with the Phantom and then were forced to put gun pods on them.
and there is that. and hence people say that merge are inevitable in certain situation. lasers might replace guns in the 5th gen + fighters in coming years .Rules Of Engagements (ROE).
A missile must fly away from the parent launch aircraft for some distance -- safety -- before it can become lethal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder
You will never know when an ROE will force you to come within guns range of an unknown flyer before you make a decision on what he is. If the situation turns hostile, it will change so quick that only a gun can save your life.
That's my point ....You did not answer the second part of my question ....?
non other than dog fight would be the idea behind adding gun on F-35 and Eurofighter, sure not strafing (excluding when targets are premitives).
Western nations, would like to trust their technology more than pilot's dog fight skill.
Why they still have guns? Answer is simply they have enough power available, so they are not taking any chances.
Sometimes... everything is already said and done before you catchup.I had to wait for 6 pages to get a response. Thank you.
Weightwise, i think your estimate of 250-300kg. is not too far from reality.What would be nice to know is that how much of inner space is available when the mountings and ammunition delft and drive mechanism are removed.
Adding CFT will bring back drag but will add potency and performance.And if---when a conformal fuel tank is added---how much fuel can it hold---next how much drag is reduced by removing the cannon from outside---.
and i also believe... using JF-17 for strafing terrorists is an over kill. Unless its done for showI very much doubt that JF17 would be used for straffing enemy ground troops just like Batman stated---even though it looks nice during the demo---.

Sometimes... everything is already said and done before you catchup.
I just had to jumpin to remind people, that no SU will be available for dog fight. SU is not a dog fighter and they (Indians) learnd about it even more in US red flag. Still they continue to brand gun, which is useless but JFT should be a smart fighter.
Weightwise, i think your estimate of 250-300kg. is not too far from reality.
Adding CFT will bring back drag but will add potency and performance.
In Indo-pak theater, I would like to see addition of 2x100kg. BVR, instead of fuel tank.
and i also believe... using JF-17 for strafing terrorists is an over kill. Unless its done for show
We can hang a gun with super mushaq and that would do the job.
While, best dog fighter in PAF inventory is F7PG.
The gun may become necessary in unforeseen situationsHi,
The fuel tank I am talking about is the empty space inside of the aircraft---where the ammunition---belt feed and mounting brackets are located---once they are taken out---there will be a hollow space inside---.
Do I have to assume that all your arguments and the whole thread is about adding a fuel tank instead of a gun when the block-3 is already fitted with a refueling probe?Hi,
You can add a supplementary fuel tank for one---and if that can add a 100-150 miles to your combat radius and as it is internal fuel---you have more fuel to fight the battle after you have jettisoned your main tanks---if it gives you a minute or 2 of extra time and that is a massive increase in utility in the air combat mode alone.
Do I have to assume that all your arguments and the whole thread is about adding a fuel tank instead of a gun when the block-3 is already fitted with a refueling probe?