References to incendiary material in ancient South Asian texts

[W.11]

Gun powder was minor things for Ancient vedic civilizations, they had been made more than that like Vinamas (UFOs)/ internet/ phone/electricity etc etc

Ashoka's inscription mentions vimanas and fireworks

https://books.google.com.pk/books?i...BoKHRvSAOEQ6AEwA3oECAQQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Rock_Edicts#Major_Rock_Edict_4

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most probably a fighter kite/patang or a kite in shape of a chariot.

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[LeGenD]

@masterchief_mirza

Dat masterful English, professor....

You need to teach it to us mere mortals...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What is this circumstantial conjecture that you keep passing off as evidence? You're quoting a storybook description of something literally mythological that coincidentally looks like something real. This isn't actual evidence of something having been produced - you do realise that right? It's basically horsecrap this thing you do.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_magical_weapons

Maybe Major Colonel General Adnan Sami Khan is feeling lonely and needs some company.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Evidence from Arthashastra indicates that Indians might have used explosives similar to gunpowder a millennium and a half before they came about in china, the recipes mentioned for explosives are strikingly similar to gunpowder and it also mentions an event description of which matches with fireworks.

https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=fNZBSqd2cToC&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=sanskrit+word+for+saltpetre&source=bl&ots=VpP7Ycxs6J&sig=ACfU3U3PY1Q_O4FmcDmxSLKvLht-HPrI6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg49rb5qvqAhURdxoKHcnxBO4Q6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=agnisamyogas&f=false

pp:211 first para

author doesnt agree that arthashastra were explosives but still admits that the ingredients seem incredibly similar, Arthashastra interestingly mentions fireworks which seem to indicate use of gunpowder.

Shangi in Pakistani colours! First I have seen, admittedly.

 

[W.11]

What is this circumstantial conjecture that you keep passing off as evidence? You're quoting a storybook description of something literally mythological that coincidentally looks like something real. This isn't actual evidence of something having been produced - you do realise that right? It's basically horsecrap this thing you do.

raghuvamsa is a fiction story by an Indian dramatist/novelist Kalidasa and not a religious myth, The chakra weapon has been used evidently in ancient india, the scholar has described this weapon in detail, here is more detail on Chakra or Charka

The method of turning a wheel using mechanically induced tangential force was also used by the greeks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile#:~:text=The aeolipile which Heron described,of the air and wind.

As i have already stated, Arthashastra mentions fireworks with its exact properties, and you think all these are pure myths?

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[hualushui]

You drank too much Ganges water

 

[masterchief_mirza]

raghuvamsa is a fiction story by an Indian dramatist/novelist Kalidasa and not a religious myth, The chakra weapon has been used evidently in ancient india, the scholar has described this weapon in detail, here is more detail on Chakra or Charka

The method of turning a wheel using mechanically induced tangential force was also used by the greeks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile#:~:text=The aeolipile which Heron described,of the air and wind.

As i have already stated, Arthashastra mentions fireworks with its exact properties, and you think all these are pure myths?

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Where does the text mention a sulphur base? Indeed, your own European analyst stated there was no sulphur base to this substance. "Ground bones of soothsayers" at best - but not sulphur based, therefore actually inferior to some near eastern substances that were already around at the time.

Beyond scaring elephants, what use is this material?

In fact @W.11 I'm going to go out on a limb here - as I'm not a chemist - and suggest that your claim that these substances are in any way related to gunpowder is spurious and misleading.

"The Taishang Shengzu Jindan Mijue mentions agunpowder formula composed of six parts sulfur to six parts saltpeter to one part birthwort herb. ... Saltpeter was known to the Chinese by the mid-1st century AD and was primarily produced in the provinces of Sichuan, Shanxi, and Shandong." Wikipedia.

Gunpowder as it is understood in an explosive form needs some combination of the above elements. I'm afraid these Vedic party tricks simply do not fulfil the definitive criteria. I suggest you reword your misleading title.

 

[W.11]

Where does the text mention a sulphur base? Indeed, your own European analyst stated there was no sulphur base to this substance. "Ground bones of soothsayers" at best - but not sulphur based, therefore actually inferior to some near eastern substances that were already around at the time.

Beyond scaring elephants, what use is this material?

Sulphurless gunpowders are known.

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[masterchief_mirza]

Sulphurless gunpowders are known.

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Yes, they're known to be useless compared to sulphur-containing ones.

 

[W.11]

"The Taishang Shengzu Jindan Mijue mentions agunpowder formula composed of six parts sulfur to six parts saltpeter to one part birthwort herb. ... Saltpeter was known to the Chinese by the mid-1st century AD and was primarily produced in the provinces of Sichuan, Shanxi, and Shandong." Wikipedia.

The chinese text credited as first evidence of gunpowder has been declared as ''incendiary'' not explosive

The mixture formulas in this book do not contain enough saltpeter to create an explosive however; being limited to at most 50% saltpeter, they produce an incendiary.[14] The Essentials was written by a Song dynasty court bureaucrat and there is little evidence that it had any immediate impact on warfare; there is no mention of gunpowder use in the chronicles of the wars against the Tanguts in the 11th century, and China was otherwise mostly at peace during this century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wujing_Zongyao

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Yes, they're known to be useless compared to sulphur-containing ones.

lmao

secondly surphur ingredient was known in the indian gunpowders, here is another source, the sources for indian gunpowder are extensive, even mentioned by the greek historians

https://archive.org/stream/onweaponsarmyor00oppegoog/onweaponsarmyor00oppegoog_djvu.txt

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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Title updated to reflect the discussion more accurately

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So now we're rewriting Alexander's history as well?

"As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was thirty-two furlongs, its depth a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at-arms and horsemen and elephants. For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand war elephants.[126]"

Nothing to do with Alexander 'fearing fiery tempests and thunderbolts'.

Get some credible international historians to buy this revisionism before foisting it upon us please.

 

[W.11]

Title updated to reflect the discussion more accurately


So now we're rewriting Alexander's history as well?

"As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was thirty-two furlongs, its depth a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at-arms and horsemen and elephants. For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand war elephants.[126]"

Nothing to do with Alexander 'fearing fiery tempests and thunderbolts'.

Get some credible international historians to buy this revisionism before foisting it upon us please.

https://books.google.com.pk/books?i...onepage&q=sanskrit+word+for+saltpetre&f=false

here you go mate. Happy?

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[Rafi]

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here you go mate. Happy?

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Fcking fairy tails, mr india.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

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here you go mate. Happy?

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So Philostratos says that Appolonios says that the Indians he talked to say that 'Alexander feared storms, lightening and thunderbolts'.

Alexander the Great, the warrior king who conquered half the world and defeated Kingdoms and Empires was somehow afraid of some fairy tales?

Are you really so obtuse and bent upon Adnan Samifying yourself as to not see the problems with this narrative?

 

[W.11]

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So Philostratos says that Appolonios says that the Indians he talked to say that 'Alexander feared storms, lightening and thunderbolts'.

Alexander the Great, the warrior king who conquered half the world and defeated Kingdoms and Empires was somehow afraid of some fairy tales?

Are you really so obtuse and bent upon Adnan Samifying yourself as to not see the problems with this narrative?

it seems you are whining since it doesnt agree with your agenda

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