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Raytheon in talks with Indian government over NATGRID project

American defence major Raytheon today said it was in talks with Indian government to offer its expertise for setting up the Rs1,200-crore National Intelligence Grid (NATGRID) project that will facilitate robust information-sharing among law enforcement agencies to combat terror threat.

Raytheon India President William L Blair said the company held several rounds of talks with the Chief Executive Officer of NATGRID Raghu Raman and other top officials of the Home Ministry to offer its expertise for the ambitious project on the lines of the similar infrastructure in Counter-Terrorism Centre in the US.

The US support for the project was also offered during a meeting of US Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano with Union Home Minister P Chidambaram in New Delhi late last month.

"We are working directly with the NATGRID CEO and the whole NATGRID team. There is a mandate to go forward and relevant information has been shared to the requirements that have been set. There has been a government-to-government dialogue also on this," Blair told PTI here at the Paris Air Show.

He said the US government is one of Raytheon's biggest customers as the company is involved in setting up of cyber intelligence network for America's Counter-Terrorism Centre and other similar infrastructures.

"What we have done in US National Counter-Terrorism Centre might be relevant to India's NATGRID. One of Raytheon's biggest customers is US government. They know our strength. We are ready to offer our technology to India in this area," Blair said, noting that the company will offer India the best technology which is in use.

The Home Ministry has set the ball rolling for establishing the Rs 1,200-crore ambitious project after getting approval from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) earlier this month for first and second phases of the NATGRID, which is expected to be operational by January 2013.

The NATGRID is being set up to facilitate robust information-sharing by security agencies and law enforcement agencies to combat terror threat at home and abroad.

Blair said if Raytheon is involved in the project, it will tie up with an Indian IT company for developing various cyber support solutions.

"Companies that are meeting the requirement set by the Indian government are Wipro, TCS, HCL, Mahindra Satyam and Infosys," he said, refusing to share any more details about the possible partner in the venture.

The NATGRID will have access to about 21 categories of database like railway and air travel, income tax, bank account details, credit card transactions, visa and immigration

records.

The idea of setting up the NATGRID was floated after the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.

Many feel that had NATGRID existed, Lashkar-e-Taiba operative David Headley would not have had a free run prior and after the 26/11 strikes.

The entire project will be completed in three years.

Raytheon in talks with Indian government over NATGRID project - India - DNA
 
On one hand its really good and US will definitely offer us the best tech without any restriction because its for anti-terrorism purpose but on the other hand all the critical information will fall into their hand. I hope IB and RAW use a separate network like armed forces and should be able to plug into the databases when needed. In personal opinion, we should just find out what kind of infrastructure US has and then we should develop our own NATGRID because NATGRID will have the continuous flow of critical information which we cannot afford to give access to any other country even Russia.
 
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Either Raytheon is fool or they think GoI people are bunch of fools.

Even a foreign transport aircraft has Indian comsec, now they want to offer expertise in setting up National Intelligence Grid (NATGRID) project? Stupid. :rolleyes:
 
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Either Raytheon is fool or they think GoI people are bunch of fools.

Even a foreign transport aircraft has Indian comsec, now they want to offer expertise in setting up National Intelligence Grid (NATGRID) project? Stupid. :rolleyes:

The article clearly mentions that the govt. is talking to Raytheon.

...which means that either the govt. is interested or it is wasting its own and Raytheon's time.

Which one could it probably be?
 
The article clearly mentions that the govt. is talking to Raytheon.

...which means that either the govt. is interested or it is wasting its own and Raytheon's time.

Which one could it probably be?

Its probably Raytheon and GoI will ultimate reject any tech from Raytheon. GoI will not take any foreign tech on a issue closely related to national security. But we do not know the difference between 'offering expertise' and 'offering tech'.


Govt is wasting Raytheon's time. lol We have seen such talks with many US companies before, Example: ISRO-Boeing satellite deal, DRDO-Lockheed missile defence cooperation etc etc which did not went beyond talks.
 
On one hand its really good and US will definitely offer us the best tech without any restriction because its for anti-terrorism purpose but on the other hand all the critical information will fall into their hand. I hope IB and RAW use a separate network like armed forces and should be able to plug into the databases when needed. In personal opinion, we should just find out what kind of infrastructure US has and then we should develop our own NATGRID because NATGRID will have the continuous flow of critical information which we cannot afford to give access to any other country even Russia.

setting up a grid won't mean they will have access to its content. It would be a violation by a private institution if they do it surreptitiously and would be subject to crushing fines and mean bankruptcy and criminal charges in both US and Indian courts. This is not a state run entity or beholden beyond a ' permission level' to a state like some countries defense related arms.

Think for second -they want to build the business relationship to make substantial money over decades not cut their own foot and completely decease from being in the world market. they are there to make money as a private firm.
 
The article clearly mentions that the govt. is talking to Raytheon.

...which means that either the govt. is interested or it is wasting its own and Raytheon's time.

Which one could it probably be?
going by the past record i bet the second one .
 
setting up a grid won't mean they will have access to its content. It would be a violation by a private institution if they do it surreptitiously and would be subject to crushing fines and mean bankruptcy both in US and Indian courts. This is not a state run entity like some countries defense related arms.

Think for second they want to build business over decades not cut their own foot.

They will do it in coordination with US govt and for US govt. US govt and their national security is above all business interests. This NATGRID where every Indian's every thing will be stored is too sensitive to get any foreign help.
 
They will do it in coordination with US govt and for US govt. US govt and their national security is above all business interests. This NATGRID where every Indian's every thing will be stored is too sensitive to get any foreign help.

that's crazy talk--- Raytheon makes billions through world wide business, they are a private entity. There are severe civil and criminal laws if caught doing something- and a complete loss of business in the world if done. The US is not a commi or dictatorship where international laws can be superseded by some covert deal.

would you as CEO of Indian company allow your Indian company to risk your livelihood, your employees, risk jail time and bankrupt your company if the shoe was on the other foot? stop with this rabbit being pulled out of hats theories.
 
that's crazy talk--- Raytheon makes billions through world wide business, they are a private entity. There are severe civil and criminal laws if caught doing something- and a complete loss of business in the world if done. The US is not a commi or dictatorship where international laws can be superseded by some covert deal.

would you as CEO of Indian company allow your Indian company to risk your livelihood, your employees, risk jail time and bankrupt your company if the shoe was on the other foot? stop with this rabbit being pulled out of hats theories.

Your first part's answer is the second part. Yes, Indian companies will do that if they have full GoI's support because they know nothing gonna happen to them in India. Now this is US and their technology! They can go to any extent without hesitation where any commie or dictatorship will think twice.

If GoI finds that the Raytheon systems had bugs and snooping capability or they were doing that what action they can take against Raytheon except kicking them out of India? Nothing, because they are backed by US govt and all their courts and laws are funny in front of so called term 'National Security'. Do you think GoI will sue Raytheon in this regard in a US court? lol No.

OK, I am mentioning again that this NATGRID is too sensitive to have any Raytheon techs. Its like giving the name and details of all RAW agents to Pakistan and China. :lol:
 
Your first part's answer is the second part. Yes, Indian companies will do that if they have full GoI's support because they know nothing gonna happen to them in India. Now this is US and their technology! :lol:

If GoI finds that the Raytheon systems had bugs and snooping capability or they were doing that what action they can take against Raytheon except kicking them out of India? Nothing, because they are backed by US govt and all their courts and laws are funny in front of so called term 'National Security'. Do you think GoI will sue Raytheon in this regard in a US court? lol No.

OK, I am mentioning again that this NATGRID is too sensitive to have any Raytheon techs. Its like giving the name and details of all RAW agents to Pakistan and China. :lol:

dude, do you understand international laws and its ramifications? all of the Indian companies holding aboard would be frozen , criminal charges, interpol warrants and a total disgrace for the Indian company and never again will they be able to trade or do anything- will have sanctions levied against them by other countries.

What protection can the govt give?- confess that it was hand in hand in an illegal activity? are you of sane mind to think Indian govt could risk that . forget other defense related projects , nothing will be ever trusted coming out of India. bye bye software companies. There are Indian software companies that build banking software used worldwide- bye bye Indian software industry too.

Raytheon provides high level security equipment and software worldwide! in this deal they mention they will partner with a India approved Indian IT company. Tell them how to do it and make them do it. This is not Goras descending into India and covertly setting up grids. It is violation of international and US laws and no " national security" clause helps it in congress because you need congressional approval on most such laws and on the narrow ones it's highly limited. but then again- it them consulting, showing Indian IT comapnies how it is done and the Indian company writing the software for it. they are advising on the architecture and technology not writing the code as is obvious within the article...

you dreaming up a scenario that will be catastrophic for Raytheon and the Us in lieu of what? American tax payers funding Raytheon for loss in billions for 100 years?

please stop with the conspiracy theories even if it looks cool in bold fonts!
 
dude, do you understand international laws and its ramifications? all of the Indian companies holding aboard would be frozen , criminal charges, interpol warrants and a total disgrace for the Indian company and never again will they be able to trade or do anything- will ahve sanctions levied against them by other countries. What protection can the govt give?- confess that it was hand in hand in an illegal activity? are you of sane mind to think Indian govt could risk that . forget other defense related projects , nothing will be ever trusted coming out of India. bye bye software companies. There Iare ndian software companies that build banking software used in worldwide- bye bye to it too.

All these applies to Indian companies may be but not US companies. You know the differences, US is a superpower with largest economyic, technological and diplomatic powers. GoI will kick Raytheon out of India but no hamper to heir activities outside India. Nothing will happen to the company. Stop dreaming about that.


please stop with the conspiracy theories even if it looks cool in bold fonts!
Those people in the armed forces better understands this thats why they are going for Indian communication system and as well as other system on every Indian aircrafts.

Above all you do not know the bolder as well as coloured part as yet, that is India has large history of intelligence clashes with a country for whom senior Indian officers were working, do you wanna know the name of the country? No its not Pakistan or China but USA!!! lol


Do you know why India is not ready to sign CISMOA while US was offering so many technologies? At the end IAF accepted aircraft without any vital com system. Learn that as well.
 
All these applies to Indian companies may be but not US companies. You know the differences, US is a superpower with largest economyic, technological and diplomatic powers. GoI will kick Raytheon out of India but no hamper to heir activities outside India. Nothing will happen to the company. Stop dreaming about that.



Those people in the armed forces better understands this thats why they are going for Indian communication system and as well as other system on every Indian aircrafts.

Above all you do not know the bolder as well as coloured part as yet, that is India has large history of intelligence clashes with a country for whom senior Indian officers were working, do you wanna know the name of the country? No its not Pakistan or China but USA!!! lol


Do you know why India is not ready to sign CISMOA while US was offering so many technologies? At the end IAF accepted aircraft without any vital com system. Learn that as well.

good lord - throw anything and hopes it sticks eh? you are being absurdly conspiratorial plain and simple. And CISMO was an upfront clause not a covert find by the Indians--- CISMO is signed by all NATO partners and many Non NATO buyers too- It's an option needed if you are using US based comm's ( their secret sauce) makes no sense to give that example. you are hell bent on pushing this meme because you dug yourself so deep that your ego is now leading the way. I'm done w/ ya on this , since logic has walked out of the room!

fact that india govt is speaking with them is proof positive of my line of thought. Jai hind!
 

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