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Raymond Davis Case: Quest for his real name?

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a very sad, sad post I came across in the other thread from vcheng. Serving one's country in no way means you kill innocent people in another's country and if many reports are correct, get involved in terror activities and getting involved with known terrorist outfits.

How easily can one condone actions of someone from a "privileged" group and frown upon other who may operate under same beliefs. Would taliban also qualify for such condonment working for their beliefs? no.

Story of lamb and wolf drinking from the same water stream definitely fits here.

There is no need to be sad. I also quoted the lamb and wolf story myself while discussing this with JanaJi, but I am also quite honest and open about how the real world works. I stand by my post.

Well, RD was only serving HIS country and carrying out his duties, so I am sure the American public will stand by him. It may take a while, but RD will be freed, I am also sure of that.
 
There is no need to be sad. I also quoted the lamb and wolf story myself while discussing this with JanaJi, but I am also quite honest and open about how the real world works. I stand by my post.
not surprised, standing by something that is wrong is always easy. Trying standing for something that is right. A man's true worth is determined then.
 
not surprised, standing by something that is wrong is always easy. Trying standing for something that is right. A man's true worth is determined then.

Yes, I am doing exactly that from my point of view, just as you are doing from yours. My worth, or lack thereof, will be determined by Allah when my time comes, so I am not bound by any earthly concerns in that regard. :D
 
Jokes aside, here is my post:

Well, RD was only serving HIS country and carrying out his duties, so I am sure the American public will stand by him. It may take a while, but RD will be freed, I am also sure of that.

If one reads it carefully, I am sure one will see that my words are chosen carefully and meaningfully. If anybody still cannot understand them, I would be happy to clarify. My post is robust enough to withstand intelligent discussion, juvenile wisecracks aside.
 
Raymond Davis’ Work “with” the CIA


By: emptywheel Monday February 21, 2011 9:52 am

After the Guardian confirmed for the Anglo-American world what the rest of the world had already concluded–that Raymond Davis is some kind of spook–the government gave the American outlets that have been sitting on this knowledge the go-ahead to publish it.

The New York Times had agreed to temporarily withhold information about Mr. Davis’s ties to the agency at the request of the Obama administration, which argued that disclosure of his specific job would put his life at risk. Several foreign news organizations have disclosed some aspects of Mr. Davis’s work with the C.I.A., and on Monday, American officials lifted their request to withhold publication.

Yet even though the NYT claims they have been cleared by the government to describe Davis’ “specific job,” the article does no such thing.

Note how none of the usages in the story make it clear whether Davis works for the CIA, for Blackwater, for his own contracting company, or for JSOC:

The American arrested in Pakistan after shooting two men at a crowded traffic stop was part of a covert, C.I.A.-led team of operatives conducting surveillance on militant groups deep inside the country, according to American government officials.



carried out scouting and other reconnaissance missions for a Central Intelligence Agency task force



Mr. Davis has worked for years as a C.I.A. contractor, including time at Blackwater Worldwide, the controversial private security firm (now called Xe)



The officials gave various accounts of the makeup of the covert task force and of Mr. Davis, who at the time of his arrest was carrying a Glock pistol, a long-range wireless set, a small telescope and a headlamp. An American and a Pakistani official said in interviews that operatives from the Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command had been assigned to the group to help with the surveillance missions. Other American officials, however, said that no military personnel were involved with the task force.



Even before his arrest, Mr. Davis’s C.I.A. affiliation was known to Pakistani authorities, who keep close tabs on the movements of Americans.



American officials said that with Pakistan’s government trying to clamp down on the increasing flow of Central Intelligence Agency officers and contractors trying to gain entry to Pakistan, more of these operatives have been granted “cover” as embassy employees and given diplomatic passports.



American officials said he operated as part of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Global Response Service in various parts of the country, including Lahore and Peshawar.



It is unclear when Mr. Davis began working for the C.I.A., but American officials said that in recent years he worked for the spy agency as a Blackwater contractor and later founded his own small company, Hyperion Protective Services. [my emphasis]

This article leaves open every single possibility–CIA, Blackwater, other contractor, JSOC–with the least likely being that Davis is an employee of the CIA (not least because according to the Pakistanis he makes $200,000). Though the article does make it clear we’re now extending official cover to contractors.

The most likely, I’d guess, is that we’re using Blackwater to employ JSOC folks to get around legal niceties.

Now, the difference is pretty important, to both the Pakistanis and us. As the article makes clear, the military isn’t really supposed to be in Pakistan. We’re not at war with Pakistan, after all, at least not as far as Congress has declared.

And Americans are going to care a whole lot more if it is confirmed that another Blackwater cowboy has inflamed our relations with an ally by shooting off his guns wildly and killing the locals. We were supposed to have learned our lesson about Blackwater in Nisour Square.

Hell, I’m pretty cranky about this confirmation that we’re giving official cover to contractors in the first place, given that it exposes us to just this kind of diplomatic problem.

Now, frankly, I’m all in favor of protecting CIA officers’ identities when they are unknown. But just about everyone in Pakistan already knew Davis is a spook. The NYT’s continued silence on that fact doesn’t serve to protect Davis; it only makes the paper complicit in the government keeping secrets from us, from its own citizens.

And it appears that the NYT is still engaged in such complicity by refusing to clarify precisely who employed Davis and whether in doing so our government is engaging in illegal war or continuing to employ the same old problematic contractors.

I guess it’s a whole lot easier to confirm someone is CIA when doing so distracts attention from the fact that he’s probably something more embarrassing still.

Update: The WSJ, without admitting it too has been sitting on Davis’ CIA affiliation, tells a different story. It says this guy with a camera full of pictures, a phone full of tribal area phone numbers, and a GPS is just a simple protective officer.

U.S.officials say Mr. Davis, who has been held in the eastern city of Lahore since late January, was on a short-term contract as a protective officer, responsible for providing security to officials with the CIA and other agencies in the country.

“Rumors to the contrary are simply wrong,” a U.S. official said of Pakistani claims that Mr. Davis was directly involved in intelligence gathering operations.

And it quotes an ISI officer claiming they didn’t know that Davis was a spook.

A senior official with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, said Pakistan was not aware that Mr. Davis was working for the CIA and believes the U.S. could be using undeclared operatives as a way of circumventing visa restrictions imposed by Islamabad on the U.S. spy agency.

“We didn’t even know about him,” the ISI official said. “We don’t know how many Raymond Davises there could be running around.”

Well, if the idea behind lifting the request that newspapers withhold details was to confuse the issue, then the government and its compliant newspaper friends have succeeded!

Update: See how exact the ISI can be as compared to Americans?

But an official from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) told AFP Monday that Davis was working for the CIA.

“He’s on contract. He’s not a regular CIA guy, but he’s working for CIA. That’s confirmed,” the official said.

Or maybe the AFP just feels less obligation to tell the American people what the government wants us to hear?

Update: The WaPo’s Greg Miller seems to get it right (though he admits WaPo sat on this too).

The American who fatally shot two men in Pakistan last month and who has been described publicly as a diplomat is a security contractor for the CIA who was part of a secret agency team operating out of a safe house in Lahore, U.S. officials said.



But in fact Davis has spent much of the past two years working as part of a group of covert CIA operatives, whose mission appears to have centered on conducting surveillance of militant groups in large cities including Lahore.



Current and former U.S. officials said that Davis had previously been employed by the sprawling security firm once known as Blackwater. A spokeswoman for the company, now known as Xe Services, did not respond to a request for comment.


Raymond Davis’ Work “with” the CIA | Emptywheel


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Mr ASIM.
:meeting: (That was pasted by mistake & i could not remove it because of problem in browsing PDF so thanks for removing)
 
I posted this in the corrrect forum, but since this important meeting may have a bearing on the RD affair, I am quoting it here as well:

from: Gen Kayani meets US military leaders - GEO.tv

Gen Kayani meets US military leaders

Updated at: 2230 PST, Wednesday, February 23, 2011

OMAN: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani met here on Wednesday with US military leaders to discuss regional security issues and explore new ways to better coordinate military operations.

The meeting was attended by US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen; US Central Command Commander, General James Mattis; US Special Operations Command Commander, Admiral Eric Olson and General David Petraeus, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan.

I was pleased to have the opportunity to discuss with American officers the progress we have made fighting extremists in our country and to offer them my thoughts about how our two sides might better cooperate, said Kayani.

Pakistan's soldiers have fought bravely and accomplished much at great cost. We must honour those sacrifices by making sure our military operations are understood.

General Kayani was accompanied by Major General Javed Iqbal, Director General of Military Operations and Brigadier Muhammad Saeed.

The two sides provided operational updates and also discussed the need for greater infrastructure development, cross-border communication and information sharing.

Though American commanders consult frequently with General Kayani, this was only the third time they have gathered together in this manner, since August 2008
. (PPI)
 
this is going way too deep.......
btw uncle to widow of one of the deceased died today, he was given pills.....:what:
 
Hi,

The threads carrying this discussion are being closed and others opened at randon---a little too prematurely---just takes the momentum away from the discussion.

Here is a good lesson for the pakistani news and tv media----look how the most liberal---actually so called liberal and non-prejudiced american news and tv media holds back news that they think might harm, the interest the nation or might threaten the integrity of an operation or the lives of the american servicemen---. A form of censorship that in itslef is despicable in practise and function---because the freedom of expression has basically turned into a practise of the vested interested---a matter of conveniences.
 
We have some self defined "sluths" that better choose another line of work if they don't want to starve to death...as they are off the tracks worrying about Raymond Allen Davis's "name." His wife, MRS. Raymond Allen Davis has been found by the US media and press and interviewed in America. Golly, same darn name! Golly, they founded the same company registered in the State of Florida! Wow!!! Mrs. Davis is or was found in Colorado where the couple have a ski house/chalet and where it is rumored some of her family live.

Let us shut this line of goofy thought up with the hidden agenda, which started out early on, which was to try to make Mr. Davis, who is a Christian, a Protestant (not a Catholic as so many Pakistanis seem to want to categorize "all Christians"). These Pakistanis on this site want to create the lie that Mr. Davis is really a Jew, a agent of the Zionists, and other such baldercash.

Having laid bare this baloney, the title of this site is useless and at least this themed Thread should in fact be closed as it is nothing more nor less than a terrorist stooge site seeking to make a devout Protestant over into a Jew. Enough to this baloney already.
 
We have some self defined "sluths" that better choose another line of work if they don't want to starve to death...as they are off the tracks worrying about Raymond Allen Davis's "name." His wife, MRS. Raymond Allen Davis has been found by the US media and press and interviewed in America. Golly, same darn name! Golly, they founded the same company registered in the State of Florida! Wow!!! Mrs. Davis is or was found in Colorado where the couple have a ski house/chalet and where it is rumored some of her family live.

Let us shut this line of goofy thought up with the hidden agenda, which started out early on, which was to try to make Mr. Davis, who is a Christian, a Protestant (not a Catholic as so many Pakistanis seem to want to categorize "all Christians"). These Pakistanis on this site want to create the lie that Mr. Davis is really a Jew, a agent of the Zionists, and other such baldercash.

Having laid bare this baloney, the title of this site is useless and at least this themed Thread should in fact be closed as it is nothing more nor less than a terrorist stooge site seeking to make a devout Protestant over into a Jew. Enough to this baloney already.

hey u balony, make balony some where else then talking rubbish, he is a cia spy.... proved by your own news papers...
 
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