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When did usa ever cared about the public opinion in other countries it always deals with the people in the position in the powers of corridors through bribes and pressure.And doing Iran or Egypt or Tunisia is far from reality in pakistan.

Bhai ji, I neither wish nor desire this route. But you have to realize that things are changing around the world. Powers have had their way because largely people never expressed their feelings like that.
Before it was mostly islamic parties that no one took seriously.
 
Bhai ji, I neither wish nor desire this route. But you have to realize that things are changing around the world. Powers have had their way because largely people never expressed their feelings like that.
Before it was mostly islamic parties that no one took seriously.
Bahenji I'll reserve my thoughts on whats happening in egypt and Tunisia and that it can bring change in whole middle east.but one thing to keep in mind is that though pakistan is an islamic country but its not the middle east.
 
Bahenji I'll reserve my thoughts on whats happening in egypt and Tunisia and that it can bring change in whole middle east.but one thing to keep in mind is that though pakistan is an islamic country but its not the middle east.

ajtr, you are very aqalmand, no doubt!
But to be honest, I never thought peeps would rise like that in egypt, tunisia, jordan etc. You never know in the present atmosphere.
 
ajtr, you are very aqalmand, no doubt!
But to be honest, I never thought peeps would rise like that in egypt, tunisia, jordan etc. You never know in the present atmosphere.
How many times people rose in pakistan and what happened everytime they rose? last was the example of black coats movement against musharraf's 2nd marshal law.but then it resulted in zardari /gilani combo.now situation is this that pakistanis again want musharraf back.

What one thing people has to learn is movement without any goal in sight is waste of energy. otherwise u'll get the case of musical chairs game between the types of musharrafs and zardaris.
 
How many times people rose in pakistan and what happened everytime they rose? last was the example of black coats movement against musharraf's 2nd marshal law.but then it resulted in zardari /gilani combo.now situation is this that pakistanis again want musharraf back.

What one thing people has to learn is movement without any goal in sight is waste of energy. otherwise u'll get the case of musical chairs game between the types of musharrafs and zardaris.

I agree with most of the things you say, believe me.
But tomorrow is always another day........and you never
know. That is what I am saying.
 
There is a strong suspicion in Pakistan that the arrested man operating under the pseudonym "Raymond Davis" is either a CIA or JSOC operative conducting covert war in Pakistan on behalf of US interests.

It is believed that there are hundreds of Raymond Davises in Pakistan who operate from FOBs (Forward Operating Bases) in Pakistan's major cities.

This suspicion is reinforced by credible reports by Jeremy Scahill in the Nation that Blackwater and other contractors have been working with US special forces JSOC on American forward operating bases (FOBs), like the one in Khost, in various parts of Pakistan, including Karachi, on "snatch and grabs" of high-value targets and other sensitive actions inside and outside Pakistan. The US FOBs in the region are known to recruit and create an informants network, as confirmed by the accounts of what happened with suicide bombing and killing of CIA agents at Khost FOB in Afghanistan

Read more at Haq's Musings: American CIA's War in Pakistan
 
Sure.Anyway courts are doing their job in this case.such rallies just put the unnecessary pressure on courts and the govt.Protests rallies are are ok when govt do wrong in such cases.but as if now its prceeding well then why the protest rally at this time.
The rallies are not against the courts, they are more to put pressure on the government not to release him based upon immunity.
 
There is a strong suspicion in Pakistan that the arrested man operating under the pseudonym "Raymond Davis" is either a CIA or JSOC operative conducting covert war in Pakistan on behalf of US interests.

It is believed that there are hundreds of Raymond Davises in Pakistan who operate from FOBs (Forward Operating Bases) in Pakistan's major cities.

This suspicion is reinforced by credible reports by Jeremy Scahill in the Nation that Blackwater and other contractors have been working with US special forces JSOC on American forward operating bases (FOBs), like the one in Khost, in various parts of Pakistan, including Karachi, on "snatch and grabs" of high-value targets and other sensitive actions inside and outside Pakistan. The US FOBs in the region are known to recruit and create an informants network, as confirmed by the accounts of what happened with suicide bombing and killing of CIA agents at Khost FOB in Afghanistan

Read more at Haq's Musings: American CIA's War in Pakistan

Who allowed them? Our establishment. Right now we are strategic partner of USA. We like it or not but we should keep this thing in mind that USA is heavily involved in our region with the consent of Govt.
 
How many times people rose in pakistan and what happened everytime they rose? last was the example of black coats movement against musharraf's 2nd marshal law.but then it resulted in zardari /gilani combo.now situation is this that pakistanis again want musharraf back.

What one thing people has to learn is movement without any goal in sight is waste of energy. otherwise u'll get the case of musical chairs game between the types of musharrafs and zardaris.

You are right atjr. Situation in Pak is different from Middle east. Let some fanboys enjoy the current situation.

Revolution only brings change in faces, not in policies. Revolution is no guarantee for any improvement. If anything it can make matters worse. Right wing is more interested in using this issue and blasphemy issue to charge the atmosphere. What people are not realizing that revolution in Pakistan will bring right wing in power which will be a disaster.

These right wing parties have never cared for the welfare of people. Their policies rotate around Anti Americanism. The most horrifying aspect of them is that they are Pro taliban and they never hide this fact.
 
This one is quite to the point cartoon published in express tribune....

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I resent this cartoon... Bad taste.
 
" What people are not realizing that revolution in Pakistan will bring right wing in power which will be a disaster.

These right wing parties have never cared for the welfare of people. "


Anti American-ism is not Pro talib-ism or is it? How are you so sure that pro taliban leadership will come to power? Can you share that crystal ball with me?

Anyways, religious side also benefits from the revolution as many others. If there was a revolution in A country, people would have been divided in two segments (generally) in ME and Pakistan, pro religion and secular, and if pro religion were to win, you cannot criticize the people's choice or can you?

Example: People are not stupid. Irani mullahs did not take over because they felt like it--They took over because majority of the people supported it at THAT TIME.

Turkey: Religion and state are two different things. People voted for secularism. People were not stupid enough to demand religion but voted for secularism. Secular power came to the office because PEOPLE wanted it.

If people of Pakistan, at least majority of them want a religious figure, you can't do much about it other than using propaganda as a tool to influence the hearts and minds of the people.

However, I DO NOT think that religious power could come to power if there was a revolution in Pakistan.
 
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" What people are not realizing that revolution in Pakistan will bring right wing in power which will be a disaster.

These right wing parties have never cared for the welfare of people. "


Anti American-ism is not Pro talib-ism or is it? How are you so sure that pro taliban leadership will come to power? Can you share that crystal ball with me?

Anyways, religious side also benefits from the revolution as many others. If there was a revolution in A country, people would have been divided in two segments (generally) in ME and Pakistan, pro religion and secular, and if pro religion were to win, you cannot criticize the people's choice or can you?

Example: People are not stupid. Irani mullahs did not take over because they felt like it--They took over because majority of the people supported it at THAT TIME.

Turkey: Religion and state are two different things. People voted for secularism. People were not stupid enough to demand religion but voted for secularism. Secular power came to the office because PEOPLE wanted it.

If people of Pakistan, at least majority of them want a religious figure, you can't do much about it other than using propaganda as a tool to influence the hearts and minds of the people.

However, I DO NOT think that religious power could come to power if there was a revolution in Pakistan.

Right now it's the right wing who are using current issues so yeah suspicion will fall on them. This is not my view but a journalistic view who are more professionally trained to analyze the situations and predict their outcome. That's a possibility.

One should in any case be cautious in dismissing the possibility of a movement of the people in Pakistan. However, there is another dimension to the situation here, which could be the cause of great concern. After four decades of nurturing of jihadis and extremists, any popular revolt will be at risk of being hijacked by extremist forces, who have recently rallied together on the issue of the blasphemy laws and are not in a mood to arrest the momentum of their campaign against the government. In these circumstances, the people of Pakistan have the sorry option between an inept and corrupt political leadership and the entire spectrum of right-wing forces from centre-right to extreme right. The decline of the liberal, democratic and progressive community is at the heart of this crisis. Unless these forces strengthen their cadre, induct fresh blood into their ranks and mount a challenge to the extremists, Pakistan has little hope of salvation.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Before asking for revolution, people should think that do we need it right now? Right now we are fighting WOT and are facing many problems. Why add fuel to the fire?

If people in Pakistan want a religious figure then i have no problem but i seriously doubt that they want it. Atleast the past elections don't show it.

Anti Americanism surely doesn't mean that a person is protaliban. I didn't link the two terms. I am only telling their policies revolve around anti Americanism to gain people sympathy as they know this is a popular sentiment. The same JUI never fails to show their solidarity with Americans backstage and are always dying to go to America. Hypocrites aren't they? Take a look at their leader

Maulana Fazlur Rahman:The zero-marks prize is shared by none other than Maulana Fazlur Rahman, aka Maulana Diesel, who fulminates against America in public but in a private meeting with the then US ambassador Anne W Patterson suggested that he had qualities to become (or be installed?) prime minister. He also told the ambassador that he liked visiting America. The Maulana is thought by many to have played the role of a go-between the government and the Pakistani state and the Taliban. One can only wonder what the WikiLeaks revelation with regard to his overtures to the American ambassador suggests.
WikiLeaks 2.0: Full marks for Gilani, Shahbaz strikes out – The Express Tribune Blog

Detail are even more embarrassing.

Unleaked leaks – The Express Tribune

They are openly protaliban. No matter how many people Taliban blow up in our country but they never ever condemned them rather they still consider America terrorist.

Taliban true followers of Islam: minister | DAWN.COM | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia

I hope that i am not involved in propaganda. I am telling them as they are. I am supporter of no party.
 

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