Questions and grand designs of urdu being state Language of united pak. Why is it trivilised?

[SabzShaheen]

National language should be Arabic, then all ethnic groups can be equally as illiterate.

Do you believe this was the intention from the beginning? (Popular phrase is "Elite Capture") i.e., a small number of opportunists created Pakistan for efficient exploitation? Some people advance this theory for separation of Singapore from Malaya at the end of British rule.

Elite capture - Wikipedia

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British Malaya - Wikipedia

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A typical anti-partition argument of Indians and frankly not irrational. Additionally I began reading “The Sole Spokesman” many years ago but it was above my reading comprehension level at the time I will revisit soon

 

[epebble]

it was above my reading comprehension level at the time

It felt like an extended treatise on Rorschach test (or reading tea leaves) applied to creation of Pakistan. Obvious facts were made insignificant and unobvious facts were interpreted. But with 75 years of hindsight, Elite Capture seems like an acceptable theory.

 

[Tom-tom]

This is exactly the ongoing RAW propaganda that started in 1947, making mountains out of molehills. The RAW propaganda that West Pakistanis want to take away our "Bengali" culture from us.

RAW hatched a long term plan so they could successfully break Pakistan. People were people as usual in West Pakistan (we always favor our own kind) and we Bangladeshis are absolutely no different, No one is saying mistakes were not made but we Pakistanis of both wings should have solved it far better than being played by RAW as we were. Pakistan certainly had few instances of "systematic" or "institutionalized" racism, like India does with their brand of Hinduism in the North.

India itself has far more egregious forms of discrimination - down to the level where certain jat-paat and tribal/dalit ancestry will prevent you from touching someone's plates of food or water. If you want to see "systematic racism" and "marginalization" and "exploitation" then go down to India. You will see bucketloads of it. Maybe now it is time for us to return the favor, trying to sow dissent in India itself.

I am pretty convinced now - which country's cause you support, given your statements. It's okay. Be overt with your allegiances.

@Nergal bhai, lanja arekta bahir hoye gesey.

How can this be? When the guy at the top , Bhutto, secretly wanted to off load e.p.

Change can only happen if those in power have thier ears open.


Pakistans elites are deaf, it been proven upto this year, with I.K

What about balochistan natives, how are they are they treated?

This is exactly the ongoing RAW propaganda that started in 1947, making mountains out of molehills. The RAW propaganda that West Pakistanis want to take away our "Bengali" culture from us.

RAW hatched a long term plan so they could successfully break Pakistan. People were people as usual in West Pakistan (we always favor our own kind) and we Bangladeshis are absolutely no different, No one is saying mistakes were not made but we Pakistanis of both wings should have solved it far better than being played by RAW as we were. Pakistan certainly had few instances of "systematic" or "institutionalized" racism, like India does with their brand of Hinduism in the North.

India itself has far more egregious forms of discrimination - down to the level where certain jat-paat and tribal/dalit ancestry will prevent you from touching someone's plates of food or water. If you want to see "systematic racism" and "marginalization" and "exploitation" then go down to India. You will see bucketloads of it. Maybe now it is time for us to return the favor, trying to sow dissent in India itself.

I am pretty convinced now - which country's cause you support, given your statements. It's okay. Be overt with your allegiances.

@Nergal bhai, lanja arekta bahir hoye gesey.

Having India as a model to aspire to or some kind of bench mark to aspire to wirh social development? are you sure your thinking straight?

 

[epebble]

But Bengalis would have still pushed back due to heavy presence of Indian backed propaganda and brain washing through bengali hindus.

So, your theory is only the minority of Bengali Hindus liked to continue to use Bengali and the majority of Bengali Muslims were ready to discard Bengali and embrace Urdu?

 

[peagle]

Excellent exposé - brother. Well narrated and you have echoed my thoughts verbatim!

IMHO you should have a blog at least for these events to dispel all the misinformation being foisted by fascists out there.

I just come here to let off some steam lol, and provide little support on issues I care about, deep involvement is not my thing.
There are five countries that are deep to my heart. First is Pakistan and UK, closely followed by Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Turkey in no particular order. So here I am.

 

[Pakistani E]

Personally I'd declare all major languages in Pakistan as official.

Or maybe get a team of linguists to sit down and create a new language from Urdu, Pashto, Sindhi, Punjabi, Balochi and call it Pakistani?

I know the impossibility of this task, especially for a nation like Pakistan, but that would be an interesting experiment in linguistics. Actually might try this myself to keep myself entertained... anything to get out of working, eh?

 

[Al-zakir]

So off the bat every Pakistani that speaks urdu proficiently can speak Arabic fluently to a proficient level? As every Pakistani I have met told me they can't really speak Arabic. I met a few Pakistan urdu speaker that to Arabic classes.

Both languages are different but somewhat common at root words. This is the main reason why Bangladesh Madrasa still prefer Urdu over Bangla at higher islamic study. It's easier for Islamic students to understand Fusha Arabic. No disrespect intended.

 

[Al-zakir]

So, your theory is only the minority of Bengali Hindus liked to continue to use Bengali and the majority of Bengali Muslims were ready to discard Bengali and embrace Urdu?

Hindus and like minded not practicing Muslim Bengali writes were against Urdu for obvious reason. They were protecting their pockets. That's it.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

I am from syhlet.

Yet you can't spell Sylhet properly bro. Afne hasau ni Sylhet or? main bari kunano ba?

BTW, you do know that we Sylhetis don't have any problem understanding and communicating with hindi-urdu. Right?

 

[bluesky]

Or maybe get a team of linguists to sit down and create a new language from Urdu, Pashto, Sindhi, Punjabi, Balochi and call it Pakistani?

I do not think any local Pakistani language is as strong as Urdu or Bengali.

So, Urdu is good for Pakistan and Bengali is good for BD. Replacing Urdu with local languages will only advance Provincialism in Pakistan.

Urdu has a long literary history and other Pakistani languages are not as rich as Urdu.

 

[epebble]

I do not think any local Pakistani language is as strong as Urdu or Bengali.

Bengali is the only South Asian language that has the prestige of winning a Nobel prize.

 

[One_Nation]

I do not think any local Pakistani language is as strong as Urdu or Bengali.

So, Urdu is good for Pakistan and Bengali is good for BD. Replacing Urdu with local languages will only advance Provincialism in Pakistan.

Urdu has a long literary history and other Pakistani languages are not as rich as Urdu.

Trust me, Punjabi is a very strong language. You have to cover your ears sometimes.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I do not think any local Pakistani language is as strong as Urdu or Bengali.

So, Urdu is good for Pakistan and Bengali is good for BD. Replacing Urdu with local languages will only advance Provincialism in Pakistan.

Urdu has a long literary history and other Pakistani languages are not as rich as Urdu.

Like most things that comes outta your mouth
this is also another overreach

Pashto, Sindhi alone has a much, much longer and sophisticated literary history

 

[Bilal9]

Yet you can't spell Sylhet properly bro. Afne hasau ni Sylhet or? main bari kunano ba?

BTW, you do know that we Sylhetis don't have any problem understanding and communicating with hindi-urdu. Right?

I was thinking he's a false flagger, he said NO. You can of course verify Bhai.

I don't know if he can speak Sylheti.

False flagger Indians of all types in our section - some are sowing dissent againts "Dhakaiyas", you can ask that guy too....

 

[Tom-tom]

I was thinking he's a false flagger, he said NO. You can of course verify Bhai.

I don't know if he can speak Sylheti.

False flagger Indians of all types in our section - some are sowing dissent againts "Dhakaiyas", you can ask that guy too....

You and you accusations of every one you dislike.

Yet you can't spell Sylhet properly bro. Afne hasau ni Sylhet or? main bari kunano ba?

BTW, you do know that we Sylhetis don't have any problem understanding and communicating with hindi-urdu. Right?

That would be auto correct on my phone it does silly things some times