Proposed bill seeks penalty for false accusations of domestic violence

[HAIDER]

BY NEWS DESK , (LAST UPDATED 42 SECONDS AGO)

A bill proposed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) to prevent domestic violence states that any woman wrongly accusing her husband of being involved in violence will be penalised with Rs50,000, a local news outlet reported on Tuesday.

Similarly, any man found guilty of violence will have to pay a fine of Rs30,000, in addition to a three-month imprisonment.

The draft of the bill further states that any man who threatens his wife at her workplace or office, through social media, mobile phone or the internet in general, or threatening the woman’s relatives, will be liable for punishment.

In an event of developing a misunderstanding with his wife, a man will have to guarantee his wife’s safety, while he will have to continue to provide food and other necessities to his family. Any case of a conflict, the concerning family laws shall be applicable.

The proposed bill also necessitated committees on the level of districts under the deputy commissioner, comprising of district health officer, social welfare officer public prosecutor and the police. The committee will also extend medical and legal assistance and protection to any victim women.


https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...y-for-false-accusations-of-domestic-violence/

Good start , create the bill, sooner or later they will be implemented. Sometime good lawyers dig out and use these law in cases.

 

[Dubious]

That would help reduce cases of domestic violence,

How will it reduce domestic violence when 2 tired people meet and 1 with abusive problems?

Abusive personality is egoistic in nature, you can give him all the wealth of the world and he will still be an idiot! It is a problem! It cant be fixed ESP if the person fails to recognize them as most abusive people are ignorant about their horrible habit!

Sending a woman to work will reduce the pressure but if a person is abusive it will just divert his attention to finding fault in other things like cant clean the house and you want to work?!

What has all this got to do with a laborer finding it hard to make his ends meet?

What does a tired man have to do with abuse? I dont think abuse stems merely from a tired man!

It is a rotten HABIT not a consequence of being responsible for earning the bread!

Domestic abuse has nothing to do with education either.

I agree an abuser is a sick person with an ego issue!

Sure some abuse since they think they earn the bread so they shouldnt move an inch but the Prophet's teaching actually states your REAL WORK starts the min you get home to your family....Job is to feed the family but work is an opportunity to earn HIS rahmat as a husband, a father, a brother, a son!

 

[El Sidd]

I agree an abuser is a sick person with an ego issue!

Sure some abuse since they think they earn the bread so they shouldnt move an inch but the Prophet's teaching actually states your REAL WORK starts the min you get home to your family....Job is to feed the family but work is an opportunity to earn HIS rahmat as a husband, a father, a brother, a son!

Once that threshold is crossed the first Time. Everything changes.

In an economy like Pakistans. Single bread winners cannot sustain an average family. Women should be made Provisions to earn from Home. Reinventing Home economics should be a priority in any educational reforms.

 

[I.R.A]

How will it reduce domestic violence when 2 tired people meet and 1 with abusive problems?

Abusive personality is egoistic in nature, you can give him all the wealth of the world and he will still be an idiot! It is a problem! It cant be fixed ESP if the person fails to recognize them as most abusive people are ignorant about their horrible habit!

Sending a woman to work will reduce the pressure but if a person is abusive it will just divert his attention to finding fault in other things like cant clean the house and you want to work?!

So you agree that it's a personality disorder and not every other male is inclined to violence and abuse? I don't know about other areas but in my area "Aurat pay hath uthata hy buzdil" ........ is also a marnay wali bayizaati.

We can work out the fraction of society that has this disorder and for them we can devise some measures to help them overcome their issue(s). Necessary counseling, involvement of family elders, state sponsored programs etc etc.

No sane woman in her right senses would ever want to reach a point of no coming back (which this law would do). And let me be honest with you, women in a relation (almost all of them) by default are choo choo ka murabah, emotional fools ,who can't be patient enough ........ why because she has so much time at her disposal when she is just a house wife ........ keeping her occupied utilises her energies in better way, helps build a society, and economy.

 

[Dubious]

So you agree that it's a personality disorder and not every other male is inclined to violence and abuse? I don't know about other areas but in my area "Aurat pay hath uthata hy buzdil" ........ is also a marnay wali bayizaati.

I dont know what is bayizaati

Yes I agree MANY have the disorder another problem is men is given preference like in the hindu system....This makes the man think he can do such shit and worse yet thinks he can get away with it!

We can work out the fraction of society that has this disorder and for them we can devise some measures to help them overcome their issue(s). Necessary counseling, involvement of family elders, state sponsored programs etc etc.

BUT FIRST such creatures need to admit they have a problem....They will deny they ever abuse either via tongue or hand...They will deny it is a problem but justify it as a right....If family elders had a clean slate I doubt their child would be this mental!

No sane woman in her right senses would ever want to reach a point of no coming back (which this law would do).

Why would she want to come back to an abuser? Secondly it will empower women to call out the abuser and still get compensation without the family fearing her being left with noting! It is her right to justice against an abuser...the compensation I believe is also her right in case she gets disowned as per our twisted society!

And let me be honest with you, women in a relation (almost all of them) by default are choo choo ka murabah, emotional fools ,who can't be patient enough

And a man beating her over nothing is very patient? Which religion or even moral laws teach you to be patient with an abusive spouse?

Was Nabi not Patient with his wives and you are crying over 1? Were Sahaba not patient about theirs?

why because she has so much time at her disposal when she is just a house wife ........ keeping her occupied utilises her energies in better way, helps build a society, and economy.

THIS part I agree instead of watching saas bahu garbage and playing family politics women should be encouraged to build something - a family, help the society in some ways or the very least get a hobby apart from the tv!

Once that threshold is crossed the first Time. Everything changes.

In an economy like Pakistans. Single bread winners cannot sustain an average family. Women should be made Provisions to earn from Home. Reinventing Home economics should be a priority in any educational reforms.

The sole issue unfortunately isnt that the woman isnt earning but the man's ego and superiority complex!

No man should have it in his head that by abusing he can oppress a woman...raising a voice is different than using same tongue and hands to harm the woman mentally/emotionally and physically respectively.

 

[I.R.A]

I dont know what is bayizaati

You are not a Pakistani.

Why would she want to come back to an abuser? Secondly it will empower women to call out the abuser and still get compensation without the family fearing her being left with noting! It is her right to justice against an abuser...the compensation I believe is also her right in case she gets disowned as per our twisted society!

I don't know I am a man, how would I know what hormone makes women make compromises.

And you keep referring to compensation, are you under the impression that proposed financial penalty is going to be paid to the victim? That's not the case by the way, that would go into government exchequer.

Which religion or even moral laws teach you to be patient with an abusive spouse?

Islam.

 

[Dubious]

You are not a Pakistani.

Either that or my Urdu is not great...Is it bayzti?

I don't know I am a man, how would I know what hormone makes women make compromises.

It is not usually a hormone it is family and society....
TALAQ ka dhabba
siblings dont get rishta coz sis is talaq-e-afza
Family members talk bad / blame woman rather than think that man would be at fauly
Society doesnt accept divorcees well
2nd marriage usually ends with the man giving tana that he did her a favour to marry her

List goes on!

And you keep referring to compensation, are you under the impression that proposed financial penalty is going to be paid to the victim? That's not the case by the way, that would go into government exchequer.

Did you read the bill or are you just against anything good for women?

In an event of developing a misunderstanding with his wife, a man will have to guarantee his wife’s safety, while he will have to continue to provide food and other necessities to his family. Any case of a conflict, the concerning family laws shall be applicable.

Islam

Same religion puts the woman as a queen!

 

[I.R.A]

Either that or my Urdu is not great...Is it bayzti?

Its not bayzti its bay izat e.

It is not usually a hormone it is family and society....
TALAQ ka dhabba
siblings dont get rishta coz sis is talaq-e-afza
Family members talk bad / blame woman rather than think that man would be at fauly
Society doesnt accept divorcees well
2nd marriage usually ends with the man giving tana that he did her a favour to marry her

List goes on!

So government should be making laws against these unislamic practices and attitudes of society.

And what's talaq e afza?

Did you read the bill or are you just against anything good for women?

Aren't most of us Muslims who should read, understand and follow Quran? This and bit more is already mentioned in Quran.

This is already part of nikah nama. Government nay koi teer nai mara yeh keh kay.

"In an event of developing a misunderstanding with his wife, a man will have to guarantee his wife’s safety, while he will have to continue to provide food and other necessities to his family. Any case of a conflict, the concerning family laws shall be applicable."

 

[Valar.]

talaq-e-afza

Talaq Yaafta...

 

[Dubious]

Talaq Yaafta...

Thank you...My Urdu is based on what I hear rather than how the word really is

So government should be making laws against these unislamic practices and attitudes of society.

If the govt wants to be based on Islamic teaching
Or if the govt does want some form of law and order in the family...that is also why we have family laws

And what's talaq e afza?

Talaq Yaafta...

Aren't most of us Muslims who should read, understand and follow Quran? This and bit more is already mentioned in Quran.

Practical is always different from theory...Everyone knows the theory but how many practice it? You can find the answer in Fajar prayer in Masjid vs Jumma prayers...

This is already part of nikah nama. Government nay koi teer nai mara yeh keh kay.

Yes, but not many even know the nikka naama...And I am shocked people actually cross some parts of the Nikkah Nama!

These are 1 of the few awareness I have read about the Nikkah Nama:

https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/39538/you-should-know-your-nikkah-nama-before-signing-it/
https://images.dawn.com/news/1178937

This is already part of nikah nama. Government nay koi teer nai mara yeh keh kay.

Making it part of law makes it mandatory for those who are not Muslims also...and making it part of law makes it mandatory for those avoiding it!

 

[I.R.A]

Practical is always different from theory...Everyone knows the theory but how many practice it? You can find the answer in Fajar prayer in Masjid vs Jumma prayers...

Where does this statement leave a society and a country that keeps reminding no law will be against Quran and Sunnah?

And Quran isn't some ordinary book, people who genuinely ask their questions from Quran get their answers. Earlier Muslims' success was totally based on following Quran.

Yes, but not many even know the nikka naama...And I am shocked people actually cross some parts of the Nikkah Nama!

Who is to blame? You are signing a contract and you don't read and understand it ....... then who is to blame?

 

[Dubious]

Where does this statement leave a society and a country that keeps reminding no law will be against Quran and Sunnah?

What's against the quran?

To punish the male is against the Quran?

And Quran isn't some ordinary book, people who genuinely ask their questions from Quran get their answers. Earlier Muslims' success was totally based on following Quran.

Previously Muslims succeeded because they understood difference between religion and culture...In Pakistan the two are intertwined...You point a finger at it and people want to chop you to pieces!

Who is to blame? You are signing a contract and you don't read and understand it ....... then who is to blame?

THIS blaming ALSO falls on the wali of the girl who didnt read, the guy himself who also didnt read what the haq of the woman is, the imam who didnt preach it in the small sermon most imams give before the nikkah [at least in Western countries , there is a small speech about marriage, rights of husband and wife but I hear no such thing in Pakistan]

The blame also falls on the people who manipulate the Nikkah Nama as suggested by the links I pasted where certain sections are crossed out

 

[valkyr_96]

I dont understand a woman pays 50,000 while a man pays 30,000....where is the woman going to get the money if the man is the sole provider of the house....people here are to immature to understand that women who are subject to domestic violence are told (Even by their own parents) you have to take it because "ghar ayesay he banta hai".

 

[El Sidd]

The sole issue unfortunately isnt that the woman isnt earning but the man's ego and superiority complex!

No man should have it in his head that by abusing he can oppress a woman...raising a voice is different than using same tongue and hands to harm the woman mentally/emotionally and physically respectively.

Women marry men Not Angels.

 

[Dubious]

Women marry men Not Angels.

Men also marry women not angels nor devils