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Preventing Terrorism Requires Radical Change

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I have gotten to know a few saudi arabian women and they told me a lot. They are dying to find a way to migrate to Turkey and "be a free woman". They said they wanted to experience freedom. They said they dont want to be just slaves to their huabands.

Of course these are just the educated english speaking women. Uneducated women think the rest of the world is also like saudi arabia.

But saudi arabia and countries alike will not be able to keep their populations ignorant forever. Oil age is to come to an end. The only way to save themselves is to turn to value creation by human populations and that also includes women.

They will HAVE TO educate all their women and give their populations means to advance themselves, which also means INTERNET!

And with internet access they will realize that they are just living in a shithole and will want to leave their countries for even Turkey as the other saudi women I have seen.

This phenomenon is inevitable.

I have seen a documentary about Pakistan too very recently. The educated young want nothing to do with Islam. They just want to leave for the west and live a modern lifestyle.
Well Saudi is liberalizing albeit slowly. Makes sense, as their system isn't something that can last forever.

I do agree thought, the advancement of women's rights would be far more of a benefit towards the Islamic world than anything else.

Bangladesh made great progress through increasing economic empowerment of women. Though there is still quite a bit of work to be done.
 
Ok so let me get this straight you are saying if we are against extremist narrative we support American War Empire?
Buddy these two things are mutually exclusive you can hate both at the same time and still be for a less radicalized society

Haha you voted for yourself you evil Muslim i hate you :D
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Close the god damn money route to terrorists and stop aiding radical organizations and toppling govts the Empire of Destruction needs to find a new hobby
On one hand they claim to fight terrorists and on the other hand they fund the same folks

You will not get anything straight if you do NOT read and listen but jump to typical blabbering like an ignorant conceited fool.

And after reading the article introspect whether you even understand the meaning of radicalism. Introspect how you define such terms that you pick up from internbet and western press.

I appreciate that you bothered tagging the KUFFAR LIBERAL SECULAR MUNAFIQ WESTERN IMPERIALISTS.
But I hope you don't expect us to read this.

Why else would I tag the kafir liberals other than to invite them to read the article. After all what is this forum for. Don't you come here to read and learn and share your views?

The comfort by which mediocre people label others is staggering, but what else can be expected from mediocre people.
The thing is clear, you have to detach from popular narrative yet never let go of the thing called introspection. I don't remember if i ever supported west invasion to any country, neither i am supportive of the stereotype be it from Muslim world against Jews or Bigoted westerners against Muslims.
Muslim world needs reform that can only come from within.

Mediocre are those liberal secularist in the Muslim world who define their very selves through western eyes and expectations, who do NOT have a brain of their own but regurgitate ideas coming from western philosophies. You shameless people should be the last ones to talk about introspection. What do you mean by reform btw? and what does this catchphrase have to do with this thread? Did you read the article before labeling others as mediocre.

There are many versions of Islam, many translations that differ from eachother in very fundamental ways, like how to treat other religions than Islam for instance.

There are also many ingredients that go into a Sharia set of laws, some are useful to all, some are oppressive towards some (or all) under it's rule.

But on the face of it, 9/11 did have a bunch of reactions from the west, which led again to reactions from muslims (ranging from peaceful to violent)..

I was asked to provide an opinion on this topic, so here it is:
The best way (for fundamentalist muslims who just want to preach their religion in their own way) to stop an invasion by another country is not to send more meaningless attacks their way. Meaningless on the military level of comparison i mean.
I can with reasoning that is destructive for the average fundamentalist-muslims' ego, prove that even before 9/11, conflict was sought out by muslims against the west (key phrase to search the history books is the 1970s oil-crisis, started by OPEC) which Muslims defend with anti-Israeli rethoric.
But even fundamentalist muslims' rethoric concerning the 1945-2017AD conflict between Muslims and Westerners, doesnt result in moral victory for Muslims.

to put it short : drop the violence from your side, and you prevent westerners from having any valid excuse to send violence your way, Muslims.

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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/preventing-terrorism-requires-radical-change.513553/#post-9791411
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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/preventing-terrorism-requires-radical-change.513553/
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The fact that its the western world that historically was and still is the party that started the violence and is the aggressor , does NOT require any academic scrutiny anymore but is self-evident. The fact that you absurdly believe in the opposite of this self-evident truth is proof enough that you are an intellectually dishonest western supremacist with bigoted outlook towards the muslim world.


This phenomenon is inevitable.

Conceited and ignorant Kafirs and hypocrites during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him) used foretell similar premonitions as you. More than 1400 years have passed and such conceited kafirs have come and become dust but Islam has spread throughout the globe and is expanding. You will become dust too and meet you Creator but the religion send by that Creator as a mercy to mankind will last till the day of judgement.

Well Saudi is liberalizing albeit slowly. Makes sense, as their system isn't something that can last forever.

I do agree thought, the advancement of women's rights would be far more of a benefit towards the Islamic world than anything else.

Bangladesh made great progress through increasing economic empowerment of women. Though there is still quite a bit of work to be done.

Define women's rights? What constitutes benefit and progress? Who decides that? Do some introspection and see whether you have a very narrow understanding of such terms and issues.
 
[https://www.islam21c.com/politics/preventing-terrorism-requires-radical-change/

And that radical change is EDUCATION. An education free from religious bias and not politically motivated....that can enable the masses to THINK without prejudice and Bias.

In trying to prevent terrorism at home, the West must leave the Muslim world

If they leave, Islamist will come to their land to create anarchy... hence the strategy is to engage them in their own land....'keep the filth to the pigs'
 
The fact that its the western world that historically was and still is the party that started the violence and is the aggressor, does NOT require any academic scrutiny anymore but is self-evident. The fact that you absurdly believe in the opposite of this self-evident truth is proof enough that you are an intellectually dishonest western supremacist with bigoted outlook towards the muslim world.

I'll let you prove your point, preferably with a historical timeline to independent news sources, first. It's far from self-evident, and most of the writers/posters on this forum would probably agree me with on this point rather than fully disagree with me.

So, if you want a reply to that from me (it takes time and effort to reply), drop the judging and name-calling against me.
 

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