Prediction by Shaheed Lt. Gen Hamid Gul 5 years ago

[SIPRA]

How can General Hameed Gul be a Shaheed when he died after suffering a brain hemorrhage on 15 August 2015 ?

Some might say that he suffered from this brain hemorrhage, owing to his persistent worries about the Muslims and Pakistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Most of today's Pakistan was busy cracking down on the would be mutineers since most were on the British Indian Army's payroll

That is a fact. A incontrovertible fact. Along with Sikhs, coterminous Pakistani's were helping the British to defeat the rebellion.

Although most of the mutinous sepoys in Delhi were Hindus, a significant proportion of the insurgents were Muslims. The proportion of ghazis grew to be about a quarter of the local fighting force by the end of the siege and included a regiment of suicide ghazis from Gwalior who had vowed never to eat again and to fight until they met certain death at the hands of British troops.[88]

The Sikhs and Pathans of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province supported the British and helped in the recapture of Delhi.[89][90] Historian John Harris has asserted that the Sikhs wanted to avenge the annexation of the Sikh Empire eight years earlier by the Company with the help of Purbiyas ('Easterners'), Biharis and those from the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh who had formed part of the East India Company's armies in the First and Second Anglo-Sikh Wars. He has also suggested that Sikhs felt insulted by the attitude of sepoys who, in their view, had beaten the Khalsa only with British help; they resented and despised them far more than they did the British.[91]

I don't know why people are taking credits of other, even they didn't spare hardworking turks , and took their credit what happened centuries ago.

I agree. They will selectively 'pinch' other peoples credits and dress them as their own. This distorts reality and leads to false sense of bravado.

Far from a black/white affair as is often taken by many the reality was far more complicated. Most of the region that is Pakistan had only been taken over by British 8 years prior to the mutiny of 1857.. Think about that. What is our region had only recently been integrated with India.

This integration with British India involved conquest and battles. This was done with the Bengal Army which was mostly Brahmin Hindus from Utter Pradesh and the wider Gangatic plains in what is now India. Therefore there was some resentment against these mutineers who only 8 years prior had helped the British to conquer the region coterminous Pakistan. In fact the Sikhs of Punjab used this opportunity to settle scores.

After 1857 we can see how British effectively changed their recruitment policy and began to focus on regions that make Pakistan today for their soldiers or sepoys. Many of the Bengal regiments were disbanded and it was after this mutiny that the seeds of the Pakistan Army was laid as regiments were raised on the frontier and Punjab which of course went on to make the Pakistan Army in 1947.

All these facts are lost on many.

 

[SIPRA]

Most of what is today Pakistan did little in 1857. Most of the fighting was done by Indians.

Just an observation. Not contesting anything said, by you or others, in this thread. These associations are fundamentally psychological and imaginary, in their very nature, and that is why, they often translate space as well time. These are the product of indoctrination and have not much to do with logic and rationale, or for that matter with history and geography, but rather fall in the category of emotions. It is how, we pronounce some as "WE' and some as "THEY" and this WE and THEY can change with the context, as well.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Boht boht boht aala.

 

[Musalman]

"Shaheed" did he died due to heart failure, while on vacations in Murree?????????????

 

[ShaikhKamal]

Some might say that he suffered from this brain hemorrhage, owing to his persistent worries about the Muslims and Pakistan.

You are making an informative assumption since ISI Chief deals with so many issues.

"Shaheed" did he died due to heart failure, while on vacations in Murree?????????????

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Well, the word 'Shaheed' has lost it's meaning. Even a Hindu who rapes, kills Kashmiri's and then is blown away by a freedom fighter will be called 'Shaheed' by Hindus.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just an observation. Not contesting anything said, by you or others, in this thread. These associations are fundamentally psychological and imaginary, in their very nature, and that is why, they often translate space as well time. These are the product of indoctrination and have not much to do with logic and rationale, or for that matter with history and geography, but rather fall in the category of emotions. It is how, we pronounce some as "WE' and some as "THEY" and this WE and THEY can change with the context, as well.

What a fantastically reasoned and crafted post. Welcome to PDF.

 

[SIPRA]

What a fantastically reasoned and crafted post. Welcome to PDF.

Thanks. Allah aap ko khush rakhay.

 

[SIPRA]

That is a fact. A incontrovertible fact. Along with Sikhs, coterminous Pakistani's were helping the British to defeat the rebellion.

Although most of the mutinous sepoys in Delhi were Hindus, a significant proportion of the insurgents were Muslims. The proportion of ghazis grew to be about a quarter of the local fighting force by the end of the siege and included a regiment of suicide ghazis from Gwalior who had vowed never to eat again and to fight until they met certain death at the hands of British troops.[88]

The Sikhs and Pathans of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province supported the British and helped in the recapture of Delhi.[89][90] Historian John Harris has asserted that the Sikhs wanted to avenge the annexation of the Sikh Empire eight years earlier by the Company with the help of Purbiyas ('Easterners'), Biharis and those from the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh who had formed part of the East India Company's armies in the First and Second Anglo-Sikh Wars. He has also suggested that Sikhs felt insulted by the attitude of sepoys who, in their view, had beaten the Khalsa only with British help; they resented and despised them far more than they did the British.[91]


I agree. They will selectively 'pinch' other peoples credits and dress them as their own. This distorts reality and leads to false sense of bravado.

Far from a black/white affair as is often taken by many the reality was far more complicated. Most of the region that is Pakistan had only been taken over by British 8 years prior to the mutiny of 1857.. Think about that. What is our region had only recently been integrated with India.

This integration with British India involved conquest and battles. This was done with the Bengal Army which was mostly Brahmin Hindus from Utter Pradesh and the wider Gangatic plains in what is now India. Therefore there was some resentment against these mutineers who only 8 years prior had helped the British to conquer the region coterminous Pakistan. In fact the Sikhs of Punjab used this opportunity to settle scores.

After 1857 we can see how British effectively changed their recruitment policy and began to focus on regions that make Pakistan today for their soldiers or sepoys. Many of the Bengal regiments were disbanded and it was after this mutiny that the seeds of the Pakistan Army was laid as regiments were raised on the frontier and Punjab which of course went on to make the Pakistan Army in 1947.

All these facts are lost on many.

An excellent historical analysis. Shah Mohammad, who was a Punjabi poet of Maharaja Ranjeet Singh's times (19TH century), wrote an epic poem "Jangnama", covering the first Anglo-Sikh war. Interestingly, he ascribed it as a war between Hind and Punjab.