Prediction by Shaheed Lt. Gen Hamid Gul 5 years ago

[Indus Pakistan]

That fighting spirit and ambition got translated in achieving independence. Spirit is not limited to geographical boundaries.

Bollocks. Read what @Signalian wrote. We are not talking about spirits. If that is the case why are you not singing songs of the Turkish war against Europeans? Or Afghan wars against the British Empire? Both Muslims succeeded in defeating Europeans. And non of them signed to become mercenaries for the British masters and then because of disatisfaction mutinied as @Signalian pointed out.

 

[pakpride00090]

Most of the conquest of Europe was also done by Muslims. But I can't see the connection with Pakistan. Just because they might have been Muslim and I say might because as many if not more Hindu's were involved and if you disagree please give proof. It does not link with coterminous Pakistan as most of our ancestors slept through the whole affair. Stop claiming credit for others efforts.

Well, if it's about support/logistics we go back to my starting point. Why is Kashmir still under Indian occupation?

Incorrect example. Those places were still part of subcontinent.

I read that in O and A level books and watched videos. Since you asked for proof .. Here it is

The aftermath of the rebellion has been the focus of new work using Indian sources and population studies. In The Last Mughal, historian William Dalrymple examines the effects on the Muslim population of Delhi after the city was retaken by the British and finds that intellectual and economic control of the city shifted from Muslim to Hindu hands because the British, at that time, saw an Islamic hand behind the mutiny.[172]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#Death_toll_and_atrocities

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And the mutiny began, was dominated by mostly Hindu Brahmins from Utter Pradesh and Bihar in India.

 

[ShaikhKamal]

Prediction by Shaheed Lt. Gen Hamid Gul 5 years ago

How can General Hameed Gul be a Shaheed when he died after suffering a brain hemorrhage on 15 August 2015 ?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

saw an Islamic hand behind the mutiny.[172]

That is contention by one writer and even he says 'saw'. Factually the mutiny began because of a Hindu and was dominated by Hindu's.

How can General Hameed Gul be a Shaheed when he died after suffering a brain hemorrhage on 15 August 2015 ?

Well, the word 'Shaheed' has lost it's meaning. Even a Hindu who rapes, kills Kashmiri's and then is blown away by a freedom fighter will be called 'Shaheed' by Hindus.

 

[pakpride00090]

Bollocks. Read what @Signalian wrote. We are not talking about spirits. If that is the case why are you not singing songs of the Turkish war against Europeans? Or Afghan wars against the British Empire? Both Muslims succeeded in defeating Europeans. And non of them signed to become mercenaries for the British masters and then because of disatisfaction mutinied as @Signalian pointed out.

Turks lost against the europeans in the long run.
Turk and Afghan history is not relevant to me since it doesn't connect to 1857. Mughals turned out weak and the internal conflicts among indigenous population with no sense of unity lead to establishment of British rule.

Turkish and Afghan societies were more or less religiously and ethnically homogeneous.

That is contention by one writer and even he says 'saw'. Factually the mutiny began because of a Hindu and was dominated by Hindu's.

Well, the word 'Shaheed' has lost it's meaning. Even a Hindu who rapes, kills Kashmiri's and then is blown away by a freedom fighter will be called 'Shaheed' by Hindus.

Agree to disagree. Clearly we are at odds since you seem hyper aggressive and over the top when presenting your viewpoint.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Turk and Afghan history is not relevant to me since it doesn't connect to 1857

Neither does Pakistan to 1857. Plot the darned mutiny and then juxtapose over the Muslim majority regions. Is there a correlation between the Muslim majority regions and the mutiny. Like f there is. Most of mutiny took place in the Gangatic plains and Central India ~ both are Hindu majority regions with sprinkling of Muslims. So the credit for the mutiny, ever what it is goes to Hindu's of those regions and Indian Muslims. Stop trying to vicariously rape this event.

For my money the tribes of the frontier never accepted the British Empire and fought it tooth/nail giving it a bloody nose. Those are people Pakistan needs to tout and celebrate.

 

[xyxmt]

Okay, okay. Good. That means if we can defeat USA we can easily defeat India and give kashmir freedom. Mmmmm but it 70 years now? What's 'sappening?

India has to start the war Pakistan cannot be seen as aggressor, they narrowly escaped by not following thru after feb 27.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Aur isi ne apna hi mulk taba kerwa liya.
When you play these games, this is all fine, I love them but not putting your house at stake.

 

[Zhukov]

Nah. Most of the resistance was conducted by muslims by and large and that is the reason why muslims paid a heavier price compared to non-muslims in the after math of 1857.

No Sir, He is right. The Spearhead of the 1857 Resistance were
Mughals seated in Delhi along with the British Army Mutineers who pledged their allegiance with Mughals , Oudh and Gwaliar, Laxsmi Bai of Uttar Pardesh and Nana Sahib Marathi. None of them have anything to do in modern day Pakistan. The Sindh, The Frontier Region, The Baluchistan, The Punjab, The Kashmir.Some Action took Place in Punjab and Bengal but very little and insignificant. Tell me one name Influential name from this region that led the resistance except scattered small groups like Ahmad Khan Kharal of Faisalabad.
Fact is, back then Hindu-Muslim Divide was not like it was in 1900s. Most of the Hindustan didn't responded to the call of revolution. They Betrayed their own people in favor of foreign invaders. Its a Crown of Shame for Hindus and Muslims Alike whether we want to admit it or not. Its was not a Hindu Muslim Thing in 1857. It was about Hindustan. Whole of the mutineers Hindus/Muslims/Sikhs relied behind the Muslim Emperor in Delhi even though he was not fully willing to take the risks because of the Odds and his concerns that it will make all the lives of the revolutionaries in danger and their blood will be on his hands if they fail. Rani Laxshmi of Utter Pardesh was a Women that died on the Battle Field fighting the British while Nizam of Hyderabad so called MUSLIM Nawabs were sitting in laps of British.
Whole Family of Bahadur Shah Zafar All of his sons were Slaughtered in front of his own eyes in Delhi and he was exiled like a dog for his effort to free Hindustan from Grasps of British and we still try to portray him as a drunkard Poet in our so called history books

 

[ProudPak]

Shaheed???

I love the guy and he was a patriot but what battle did he die in to be shaheed?

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The General died of a hemorrhage.
Although he was a brave son of Pakistan and a true patriot, but he wasn't a Shaheed.

 

[Imran Khan]

Death
Hamid Gul suffered a haemorrhagic stroke in Murree. According to reports, he had been suffering from high blood pressure and headaches for some time.His death was condoled by the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Chief of Army Staff Raheel Sharif and other high officials.Gul is buried at the army cemetery in Westridge, Rawalpindi.



so now high blood prresure death also shahadat ?

 

[Khan_patriot]

Most of what is today Pakistan did little in 1857. Most of the fighting was done by Indians.

Most of today's Pakistan was busy cracking down on the would be mutineers since most were on the British Indian Army's payroll

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Most of what is today Pakistan did little in 1857. Most of the fighting was done by Indians.

I don't know why people are taking credits of other, even they didn't spare hardworking turks , and took their credit what happened centuries ago.