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PKK/PYD forces Arabs to fight Daesh in Syria: Witnesses

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Ibrahim Abo Omar, 61, a Syrian Arab, with his family, as he describes their eviction from their home in Tal Abyad, Syria, last spring by the US backed terror group PKK/PYD(YPG) .

"The US backed PKK/PYD terror group is forcing young Arabs to fight Daesh terrorist group in Raqqah province in northeastern Syria, according to eyewitnesses.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency on Tuesday, a 25-year-old said he was forced to join the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to fight Daesh.

"After a brief training, Arab youth are sent to the front,” he said. “They are either killed by Daesh during combats or by PKK/PYD if they withdraw”.
"More than 500 people fled from PKK/PYD and took shelter in their villages,” he claimed. “Many of them, however, were recaptured by PKK/PYD during raids.”

The recruit recalled the killing of ten Arabs by Daesh after they were deployed in al-Mashfa al-Jadeed district in Raqqah in mid-September.

"Those who survived the combat demanded backup force but this was rejected by PKK/PYD, forcing them to retreat,” he said. "PKK/PYD opened fire on them over their retreat, killing five while five others were imprisoned.”

Another Arab recruit, 22, from the town of Tel Abyad, said ten Arabs, led by a PKK/PYD commander from Mt. Qandil, were sent to al-Manteqa al-Senaya district in Raqqah late August.

"The Arabs were killed during the fight, while the commander was handed over to PKK/PYD under an agreement between the group and Daesh,” he claimed.

PKK/PYD has captured almost 80 percent of Raqqah, the de facto capital of Daesh’s self-proclaimed caliphate, since a major anti-Daesh campaign was launched early June."

PKK/PYD forces Arabs to fight Daesh in Syria: Witnesses
 
L1060620crop.jpg

Ibrahim Abo Omar, 61, a Syrian Arab, with his family, as he describes their eviction from their home in Tal Abyad, Syria, last spring by the US backed terror group PKK/PYD(YPG) .

"The US backed PKK/PYD terror group is forcing young Arabs to fight Daesh terrorist group in Raqqah province in northeastern Syria, according to eyewitnesses.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency on Tuesday, a 25-year-old said he was forced to join the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to fight Daesh.

"After a brief training, Arab youth are sent to the front,” he said. “They are either killed by Daesh during combats or by PKK/PYD if they withdraw”.
"More than 500 people fled from PKK/PYD and took shelter in their villages,” he claimed. “Many of them, however, were recaptured by PKK/PYD during raids.”

The recruit recalled the killing of ten Arabs by Daesh after they were deployed in al-Mashfa al-Jadeed district in Raqqah in mid-September.

"Those who survived the combat demanded backup force but this was rejected by PKK/PYD, forcing them to retreat,” he said. "PKK/PYD opened fire on them over their retreat, killing five while five others were imprisoned.”

Another Arab recruit, 22, from the town of Tel Abyad, said ten Arabs, led by a PKK/PYD commander from Mt. Qandil, were sent to al-Manteqa al-Senaya district in Raqqah late August.

"The Arabs were killed during the fight, while the commander was handed over to PKK/PYD under an agreement between the group and Daesh,” he claimed.

PKK/PYD has captured almost 80 percent of Raqqah, the de facto capital of Daesh’s self-proclaimed caliphate, since a major anti-Daesh campaign was launched early June."

PKK/PYD forces Arabs to fight Daesh in Syria: Witnesses

This is a bad thing?
 
This is a bad thing?
Its not?
You force people to fight in your name but you get the credits?
And the best thing comes later,either abide by their rule of law or be deported.
See Joe,this is what i was trying to tell you,you dont know the YPG/KRG/PKK Kurds as well as we do.
Btw,i have Kurdish relatives and they dont like either one of these groups,so you know.
 
Its not?
You force people to fight in your name but you get the credits?

I thought fighting Daesh was the correct thing. Where did it say that the PKK got the credit? Surely the Arabs fighting did? And why are they not fighting Daesh, while the PKK is? Also, is the fact that the PKK fights them a factor in favour of Daesh?

Just curious.
 
This is a bad thing?
It is.

"Thousands of Sunni Arab civilians in northern Syria are reportedly fleeing their homes to avoid attacks by Kurdish fighters in what is described as an apparent ethnic cleansing campaign.

A report in The Times newspaper on Monday said that Kurdish fighters have been "burning Arab villages" in areas they control around Kobane as part of a campaign against local Arabs.

The article alleges that members of the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), a close ally of the West in the fight against Isis, are carrying out the attacks."
Thousand of Arabs flee from Kurdish fighters in Syria's north

Many people have been displaced, murdered by the US backed PYD/PKK(YPG) terrorists in region, they will have to return one way or another. Most ignorant and biased people in the world, were clapping their terrorism and praising it, as I remember correctly you are one of those.
 
I thought fighting Daesh was the correct thing. Where did it say that the PKK got the credit?
The PKK/YPG gets all credits as the SDF(a name change advised by an American general),they call it a coalition of Kurds and Arabs.
All of the captured territories stay in YPG hands,examples are the Afrin canton(used to be Arabs,Turkmens and a small population of Kurds,the Kobani canton,used to be all Arabs etc.
The YPG in Syria is just a branch of the KCK ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Communities_Union )
And why are they not fighting Daesh, while the PKK is?
The problem with the Arab factions is that they are not a unity,they are all supported by different ''powers'',the radical AQ,al-Nusra and some other small radical groups are supported by the KSA,UAE,the FSA used to be supported by the West,Qatar and my country,the Hezbollah and other Shia groups by Iran etc.
All of these groups also fight each other and thats one of the reasons why the West stopped supporting them and the biggest reason being Obamas Fvck up,he should have done what he did in Libya,Erdogan also had a chance to change things in Syria before the Russians came but as you know,he is all talks but no walks.
Also, is the fact that the PKK fights them a factor in favour of Daesh?
The PKK only fights for itself,it doesnt care for the Arabs or Turkmens and other citizens of Syria.
The more territory it has the bigger the bargaining chip for independence,(we will give these territories to the Arabs in exchange for independence,blah blah)
Im sure they got that tip from the US.
 
The PKK/YPG gets all credits as the SDF(a name change advised by an American general),they call it a coalition of Kurds and Arabs.
All of the captured territories stay in YPG hands,examples are the Afrin canton(used to be Arabs,Turkmens and a small population of Kurds,the Kobani canton,used to be all Arabs etc.
The YPG in Syria is just a branch of the KCK ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Communities_Union )

The problem with the Arab factions is that they are not a unity,they are all supported by different ''powers'',the radical AQ,al-Nusra and some other small radical groups are supported by the KSA,UAE,the FSA used to be supported by the West,Qatar and my country,the Hezbollah and other Shia groups by Iran etc.
All of these groups also fight each other and thats one of the reasons why the West stopped supporting them and the biggest reason being Obamas Fvck up,he should have done what he did in Libya,Erdogan also had a chance to change things in Syria before the Russians came but as you know,he is all talks but no walks.

The PKK only fights for itself,it doesnt care for the Arabs or Turkmens and other citizens of Syria.
The more territory it has the bigger the bargaining chip for independence,(we will give these territories to the Arabs in exchange for independence,blah blah)
Im sure they got that tip from the US.

For the first time, somebody has bothered to put all the pieces into place. Sincere thanks.

Why can't somebody write like this about the Rohingyas?
 
Not my area of expertise Joe,to much work,why dont you do it?

There's a bit of family history involved, and I'm scared of a ghost.

My old man was posted to Army liaison work in WWII in Cox's Bazar, and had done quite a bit of work on the Rohingyas, whom he called the Roshangas, an old name for the Muslims of Rakhine. A very authoritative work on the Rohingyas is

http://www.academia.edu/7994939/_Rohingya_The_name_the_movement_the_quest_for_identity._Yangon_2013

unfortunately, it refers to this identity having come into prominence after 1977, and really outstanding prominence from the 1990s onwards. 'Prominent' is a difficult word to deal with; if my father (who shifted from history to anthropology under the influence of Nirmal Bose - the anthropologist; there are an alarming number of Nirmal Boses in references) talked about them in the 60s and 70s, that doesn't sound quite so definitive as the learned article seems to state.

Because of his overwhelming knowledge, and because I know how little I know about this (and about many other things) compared to him, I am afraid to say anything.

What I was struck by was the lucidity with which you made the whole situation clear. Nobody bothers with lucidity any more. It was good to read your post, and to recall that this is how posts should be, and could be.
 
There's a bit of family history involved, and I'm scared of a ghost.

My old man was posted to Army liaison work in WWII in Cox's Bazar, and had done quite a bit of work on the Rohingyas, whom he called the Roshangas, an old name for the Muslims of Rakhine. A very authoritative work on the Rohingyas is

http://www.academia.edu/7994939/_Rohingya_The_name_the_movement_the_quest_for_identity._Yangon_2013

unfortunately, it refers to this identity having come into prominence after 1977, and really outstanding prominence from the 1990s onwards. 'Prominent' is a difficult word to deal with; if my father (who shifted from history to anthropology under the influence of Nirmal Bose - the anthropologist; there are an alarming number of Nirmal Boses in references) talked about them in the 60s and 70s, that doesn't sound quite so definitive as the learned article seems to state.

Because of his overwhelming knowledge, and because I know how little I know about this (and about many other things) compared to him, I am afraid to say anything.

What I was struck by was the lucidity with which you made the whole situation clear. Nobody bothers with lucidity any more. It was good to read your post, and to recall that this is how posts should be, and could be.
Damn you Joe,it took me 45 min to read and understand it.
It explains why they insist on the name ''Muslim Rohingya'',it is at least a political movement.
I didnt understand why the name ''Muslim Rohingya'' when there are also Budhist ''Rohingya'',now i do.
The existance of other Muslim communities which are integrated in Myanmar society for centuries and are accepted as Myanmar nationals means that the ''Rohingya'' movement is not as innocent as it claims to be(not talking about the refugees,they are just victims of this movement).
Good read Joe.
 
Damn you Joe,it took me 45 min to read and understand it.
It explains why they insist on the name ''Muslim Rohingya'',it is at least a political movement.
I didnt understand why the name ''Muslim Rohingya'' when there are also Budhist ''Rohingya'',now i do.
The existance of other Muslim communities which are integrated in Myanmar society for centuries and are accepted as Myanmar nationals means that the ''Rohingya'' movement is not as innocent as it claims to be(not talking about the refugees,they are just victims of this movement).
Good read Joe.

You raised a very interesting point. '....other Muslim communities which are integrated in Myanmar society for centuries and are accepted as Myanmar nationals.....'

I read this very interesting book called The Indian Ocean in World History. In that, the author points out that the golden period of this ocean's history was the Pax Islamica, that prevailed before the incursion of the Portuguese. During that period, from the 8th century onwards (and, in all probability, up to eight centuries before, from the last century of the previous millennium), Muslim settlements were of two kinds: those that integrated with local society completely, except as the dictates of their religion demanded, and those that grouped into exclusive settlements, remaining as close to their origins as right at the outset. This held true of almost every patch of territory where there was trading activity and a Muslim community.
 
You raised a very interesting point. '....other Muslim communities which are integrated in Myanmar society for centuries and are accepted as Myanmar nationals.....'

I read this very interesting book called The Indian Ocean in World History. In that, the author points out that the golden period of this ocean's history was the Pax Islamica, that prevailed before the incursion of the Portuguese. During that period, from the 8th century onwards (and, in all probability, up to eight centuries before, from the last century of the previous millennium), Muslim settlements were of two kinds: those that integrated with local society completely, except as the dictates of their religion demanded, and those that grouped into exclusive settlements, remaining as close to their origins as right at the outset. This held true of almost every patch of territory where there was trading activity and a Muslim community.
But it doesnt make sense,in those days and later,Muslims integrated into the communities they joined,examples are Europe,Afrika northern Asia,Indonesia.
Only on the Indian continent this was almost not the case,maybe its the people of the region?
 
But it doesnt make sense,in those days and later,Muslims integrated into the communities they joined,examples are Europe,Afrika northern Asia,Indonesia.
Only on the Indian continent this was almost not the case,maybe its the people of the region?

I will give you examples, from the book; but tomorrow. It is daunting to think of going into unfurnished rooms and rummaging through books piled up on the floor. And it was emphatically not confined to the Indian sub-continent; in fact, some of the communities here were thoroughly integrated into the local people and into local society around them.

Ask any south Indian member the meaning of 'mapillai', the origin of the word Moplah.
 

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