People of Jammu stand up to anti-nationals

[Cobra Arbok]

From what I understand, dogras are Rajputs predominantly of the Chauhan clan who migrated to Punjab and eventually ended up in Himachal and Jammu, where they got assimilated with the local Pahari population. @Talwar e Pakistan

 

[Sugarcane]

You won't be doing the sparing. if you are lucky we might spare you guys.

you will be smoke before you get there. if not dravids then the banglas or the Nagas will populate indus. Anyways Pathans, mohajirs, Sindhis, Rajputs, Punjabis, Sikhs, bhaiyya and biharis along with some gujarati, Madhya pradeshi (?) will all have gone before you reach the dravids. Then Christianity will take over the subcontinent and as the Pope hoped the cross will be firmly planted in the Inde.

How you are suppose to stop all the missiles fire by Pakistan, by collective fart of 1.2b Hindustanis? One nuke on water source will be enough that you guys will regret surviving.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

They killed 2 kashmiris burnt 80 kashmiri Muslim vehicles and dozens of shops attacked.
This is the reason for atred against kashmiri Hindus in hearts and minds of Muslims of the region.
Due to the same reason they were forced out in 90s. Hindus of India don't want to talk or accept their own atrocities. Anyone doing is regarded as traitor.

 

[jamahir]

They killed 2 kashmiris burnt 80 kashmiri Muslim vehicles and dozens of shops attacked.

Most unfortunate.

This is the reason for atred against kashmiri Hindus in hearts and minds of Muslims of the region.
Due to the same reason they were forced out in 90s. Hindus of India don't want to talk or accept their own atrocities. Anyone doing is regarded as traitor.

Are you sure that the forced out Kashmiri Pandits were all supporters of RSS and its branches ??

@Joe Shearer

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

dogras have been in Jammu for centuries. Also gujjars originated in Rajashtan before migrating to the Himalayas, so they are not very ethnically different from dogras, who are a Rajput clan.

Dogra are not a Rajput clan. Though there are Dogri-speaking Rajputs in Jammu. There is a difference between Dogra Rajput (Rajputs that speak Dogri) and Dogra. Either way, both peoples are not native to Jammu and migrated relatively recently.

Gujjars did not originate in Rajasthan; Gujjars along with Jatts and Rajputs are thought to not have originated in South Asia, but were a part of a second wave of migrations that struck the Indus Region before moving on to Indian border states (Rajasthan, Punjab, etc...).

Gujjars migrated to Afghanistan, Kashmir (Bakarwals and Kohi Gujjars), Jammu, Punjab, Uttarkhand (Van Gujjars) and Rajasthan. The Gujjars of Afghanistan were largely Pashtunized, though they are still a distinct group there and even mentioned in the Afghan national anthem, Gujjars of Punjab integrated into the Biradari system and took up farming, Gujjars of Uttarkhand mingled with locals but still retained parts of their culture and lifestyle, Gujjars of Rajasthan embraced Hindu culture and merged with the locals while the Gujjars of Jammu and Kashmir retained most of their culture and blood due to isolation.

The Gujjars of Jammu and Kashmir have retained their indigenous culture and practices and are significantly distinct/foreign to Gujjars of Rajasthan. Kohi Gujjars don't even consider Gujjars of Rajasthan to be Gujjars.

Punjabi Gujjars of Pakistan:

Kashmiri Gujjars:

Rajasthan Gujjars:

Are you sure that the forced out Kashmiri Pandits were all supporters of RSS and its branches ??

Kashmiri Pandits were forced out of Kashmir Valley; primarily to Jammu (which is a part of Jammu and Kashmir). Less than 200 of them were killed, mostly by rogue attacks that separatist leaders condemned. Compare that to the 1990's massacres and 1947 Jammu Genocide.

 

[padamchen]

I thought you said 'how are you' in tamil

Parsi Gujarati.

Nazzar battu ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[Placemat]

How you are suppose to stop all the missiles fire by Pakistan, by collective fart of 1.2b Hindustanis? One nuke on water source will be enough that you guys will regret surviving.

Ok

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

how long do you have to live somewhere to be a native? By your logic, most Kashmiris are not native because Kashmiris are supposedly descended from Pathans who migrated there.

Who said that Kashmiris are supposedly descended from Pathans? Kashmiris are indigenous and have maintained fierce independence for a very long time.

Kashmiris converted to Islam far before any Muslim army even stepped foot into Kashmir. The first King of Kashmir, Rinchan was a Buddhist who had converted to Islam.

 

[Great Janjua]

Parsi Gujarati.

Nazzar battu ....

Cheers, Doc

Ni battu phire thai sharab vich rajiya ni battu phire thai burrahhhh classic 1990s

 

[jamahir]

Kashmiri Pandits were forced out of Kashmir Valley; primarily to Jammu (which is a part of Jammu and Kashmir). Less than 200 of them were killed, mostly by rogue attacks that separatist leaders condemned. Compare that to the 1990's massacres and 1947 Jammu Genocide.

In which period ??

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

In which period ??

The statistics given by Pandit and Hindu-nationalist groups are significantly inflated.

Whilst some Pandit organisations such as Panun Kashmir etc. have accused Kashmiri Muslims of genocide and mass-rape, during the times of exodus,[94] authors have labeled the claims as "exaggerated".[94] Scholars Mridu Rai[95] and A. Evans[96] have outright rejected the claims of genocide.

Some scholars have also accused the Indian state and Media of utilizing the experience of Pandits as a tool of propaganda.[97] In February 1993, a notable Indian magazine launched an investigation upon a list of 23 shrines provided by Bharatiya Janata Party and found that the claims of alleged desecration of scores of Hindu shrines in Kashmir, widely perpetuated by the Indian media and right-wing Hindu politicians, were "false".[98][96]

Further, whilst significantly higher figures of death, in thousands, have been reported by certain Pandit-organisations, scholars have rejected the claims, instead choosing to roughly rely upon the official figures.[96] According to the government of Jammu and Kashmir 219 Kashmiri Pandits were killed and 24,202 families migrated out of the valley

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Who said that Kashmiris are supposedly descended from Pathans? Kashmiris are indigenous and have maintained fierce independence for a very long time.

Kashmiris converted to Islam far before any Muslim army even stepped foot into Kashmir. The first King of Kashmir, Rinchan was a Buddhist who had converted to Islam.

But Jammu is geographically and historically distinct from Kashmir. Were the Gujjars the only natives of Jammu prior to the arrival of Dogras?

 

[jamahir]

The statistics given by Pandit and Hindu-nationalist groups are significantly inflated.

I believe that the path to peace in the valley goes via the Pandits coming back.

If South Africa can move forward from the Apartheid era by establishment of the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission", so can Kashmir.

@Joe Shearer @Levina @padamchen

@Cobra Arbok

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I believe that the path to peace in the valley goes via the Pandits coming back.

If South Africa can move forward from the Apartheid era by establishment of the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission", so can Kashmir.

@Joe Shearer @Levina @padamchen

@Cobra Arbok

Yes of-course,
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...-to-us-separatist-leader-mirwaiz-faroo/307115

But Jammu is geographically and historically distinct from Kashmir. Were the Gujjars the only natives of Jammu prior to the arrival of Dogras?

Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh have bee distinct from each other in terms of culture, language, ethnic groups; but have united many times in history.

Jammu was inhabited by a diverse range of people including Kashmiris, Paharis, Bakerwals and other peoples that were later absored by the Dogras (eg. Muslim Dogras). Though Jammu was close to Punjab, it still had significant ethno-cultural ties with Kashmir which began to fade away under Dogra rule during the 1800s and was finally cut in 1947 when hundreds of thousands of native Muslims were killed or forced to flee and were replaced by Hindu/Sikh refugees from Punjab.

 

[jamahir]

Yes of-course,
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...-to-us-separatist-leader-mirwaiz-faroo/307115

Respect to his sentiment.

Thanks for the link.