PDF under Investigation

[King Julien]

Could anyone post the alternate forums where people can join?

Join x

 

[OIO]

what happened?

 

[Olympus81]

Join x

X Twitter? That’s the worse platform for having civil discussions bro.

 

[Sugarcane]

It's amusing to see some low IQs still can't comprehend the situation and for them everything come down to IK/PTI. As VCheng always says that forum is micro-reflection of country, If you think what is being said here has no relevance to ground realities then you are either cut off from Pakistan or the kid whom parents don't allow to venture out because if you were aware of ground situation then you would knew that things being said here are much milder than people say in real life.

All those self-claimed specialists claiming that forum was heaven before ousting of PTI have either memory of gold-fish or doing intellectual dishonesty. I don't remember any significant patch when it was all good for Company on forum since I joined. OBL, News/Articles of western media against Company, 71 every now and then, Surgical strikes, Indian propaganda as usual, country going to fall apart, sometime Iranian or Pakistanis more loyal to Iran/Arabia, Bangladeshis, Pashtun Nationalists, MQM supporters, PPP supporters, PMLN supporters, TTP, PTM sympathizers and what not, the only difference this time is that majority who have been countering all these for years have been disfranchised by company and labelled as Anti-State. I only see Patwaris or spoiled off-spring of company only here trying to sell cow-dung as cake here, Let's see how long company last by terrorizing majority of population.

 

[iLION12345_1]

There are two issues here of PDF being monitored.

I joined in 2015, at that time PDF was observed and monitored by international intel agency as well as DOD related companies. There was a member called "Centcom" or something, he was not one person. That was an account made and used to read the psychology of Pakistan youth on international forum because the issue of radicalization and extremism in Pakistani youth was evident during the deployment of USA/NATO Forces in Afghanistan and the subsequent operations as JF TFs inside Pakistan.

Now the issue at hand. The issue started during Bajwa tenure. After RS departure, many people (members and public) wanted Bajwa to the same COAS as RS, which wasn't the case. As far as i noticed, two members started speaking openly against him, one was Xestan and other was R-Wing. It was surprising for me since R-Wing said he was related to some Govt dept in Pakistan and has conenctions and what not. Surprising coz when someone has good connections inside Govt then they wouldn't jeopardize their job, life, friends, connections etc. Anyways, though not a fan of Bajwa, I knew how things went around in military and bureaucracy circle so I confronted both of them but this was the start.

At one point, the senior Mod at that time, Arsalan, talked to me and told me to pacify, I backed off. R-Wing and Xestan still kept going. This was followed up by posts in internal security where FC troops were getting hit and martyrdom. Me and PK gave clarification of how FC is handled by MOI, not COAS, apart from other things. However, no one wanted to understand how operations are planned, run and handled by FC or by military.

The seed had been sown to show disgruntled behavior against Military top brass- starting from talking against Bajwa.

After Feb 2019, many secrets were revealed on online forum regarding IAF and PAF operational strategy and the usage of fighter aircrafts and details about them. This prompted intel agencies (Pakistan and others) to scan BS, Indian defense, Sino defense and Pakistan defense forums. The use of Big data and data analysis was full on in swing at intel agencies during that time.

I had a hunch before that about the discussions on LOC firing and the count of deaths of soldiers from both sides were kept in record by Pakistani and Indian members. However that was sidelined. The brains of Indian members work up to cricket matches and run scoring, who scores more kills on LOC, and Pakistanis are emotional brats who want to then play tit for tat. Childish, so sidelined.

Post 2015, watsapp, FB, and other online media had been infiltrated by some intel agencies including Pakistani intel agencies. This was mainly to keep an eye on mobile communication using data to coordinate attacks by terrorists however the general public and Army personnel also started making groups for coordination and discussions, though not anti-state entirely.

When the issue of IK removal came then the crap really the fan. This was about emotions which leaves no space for wisdom to handle things. Before, I had talked to Waz who was senior Mod and told him which intel agency had recently scanned the forum and some posts containing sensitive data had to be deleted. So basically, PDF admin knew what was going on. I confronted Jango , Agnostic and other Title holders too. They started tp confront me. What is the use ?

But in reality what happened ? Every member who favored IK tried to become an egoistic hero on PDF. Open statements against Army, COAS, Generals, Govt officers, ministers, head of departments etc, You name it and there are abuses hurled against everyone in government positions. Not just that, against every politicians.

This is what PDF has become !
A place of hatred, a tool/medium to spread hate against Pakistan, Government officers, Military and state.

Webby has been made a scapegoat. His forum has been used by every coward who couldn't speak face to face or openly infront of Government. PK and I have tried to tell repeatedly, to clarify starting from how dry day works, how things work in Military HQs, how and why operations are conducted, about LOC, about martial laws, MRAPs, drones, FC Ops etc. This is to no avail since everybody thinks that whatever media says is correct as long as it suits their narrative. The truth is in the real life, its not in media spread online through different channels. So many topics are posted everyday but honestly 99% of them are rubbish with wrong information. Bajwa will take over Pakistan, Bajwa will get another extension, Bajwa will do martial law, etc, all just rubbish, all false, all lies. Bajwa is just one example. Abusing NS, Bilawal, Maraym, even PTI members, opening thread after thread as a counter to a previous thread. What really can you prove online ?

PDF mods and admin couldn't stop the flow of false information and then more useless discussions on them, more cursing, more abusing etc. Not all the information was wrong, there were ways to discuss it but with minds already made up and filled with hatred, what did you expect ?

I always kept telling that none of this affects GOP or Military, and it didn't and it wont. There was so much ego against me which blinded the members who replied my posts. I only laughed at the end but PDF going down is not what I expected since I knew mods are capable intelligent people. They are responsible people who though have lives to live in real but also are good people who understand how to carry out mod tasks.

A lot has happened since 2022, where as 2023 is ending. maybe deadline is 31st Dec 2023 and PDF may not live to see 2024.

This is what negativity does, it burns. This is the result of anger and anguish which wasn't channeled properly. If this is what we Pakistanis do, then unfortunately we deserve it. Problems, issues, tragedies, etc come in life as they are a part and parcel of life but there are ways to solve them, not through anger or hatred or abuses or frustration, but through patience and determination. I think members solve the issues in their lives first by hurling abuses at that issue, then show anger to everyone around them and start pointing at someone to blame but themselves. This is what their posts on PDF show A lesson is to be learnt here.

I wish PDF wasn't shutting down.

I have not and do not disagree with a lot of what you’ve said in the past and here, I too have tried often to get people to see the difference between the errors of the few and why they shouldn’t apply them to the entire forces. The way everyone and anything to do with the armed forces has been villanized here in the last few years has been very disheartening, at some point I have up trying to convince people to not generalize and see things on a case by case basis as they deserved.

I would be lying if I said I didn’t see this shutdown coming from a mile away, that however does not make it any less sad that the leadership being criticized is petty enough to care that some obscure forum on the internet is saying things about them, or rather, the image they’ve created for themselves in the forces is such that the poor soldier tasked with monitoring this stuff thinks that this criticism is important enough to be suppressed, nobody should be under the illusion this went too high in the chain of command, because we both know that’s the bigger reason for this shutdown than whatever information was being shared here, most of it wasn’t sensitive enough to matter, a lot of the information in the earliest years of this forum that still remains on here is far more sensitive than anything shared here in recent years, the forum has degraded that much.

everything else was just a catalyst, the sensitive information, sensitive or not, was simply a reason for the Babus in the intelligence agencies to think that this place is an actual threat. Same goes for all the baseless allegations of martial laws and bajwa or Asim being some Israeli agents, that shit is so stupid that nobody should take it seriously, but given all the circumstances around it, someone ended up thinking it was enough of an issue. The LoC and other casualties, the PA hides fatalities, nothing new, they had a problem with the people on Twitter who pointed out inaccuracies and anomalies in the fatalities too, they’ve had it forever. One could say it’s to not give the enemy an advantage because more often than not they don’t know the causalities either, it could encourage them, that’s fair, but with the general image of the forces, even when they do the Same things they always did, people assume a negative connotation, and we see a knee jerk reaction by people in the forces who are tasked with handling PR, but have never actually had to deal with a public that is aware, they can silence reporters, but now they’re realizing it’s hard to silence the public, in the past this was never an issue, for better or for worst this is the first time in Pakistans history the army has had to try harder than basic nationalistic tendencies to convince the public.

I too am tired of the constant useless abuse hurled at everyone and anyone on this forum in the last years, some fucking idiots went so far as insulting fallen soldiers and desecrating discussion about civilian casualties. Wether towards a deserved party or not, it simply shouldn’t happen because it adds nothing to discussion and also attracts unwarranted attention, this is still definitely suppression of speech by people who are trying hard to maintain their false images. That is why it is sad, in a perfect world this criticism would be allowed, but then, in a perfect world, this criticism wouldn’t be needed.

This forum really, really needed to step up its moderation, it’s unfortunate how much abuse and misinformation was allowed on here that led to this. If it was up to me I’d have banned all political discussion in general, this forum could serve its purpose so much better being a tool for solely military, historical and technological discussion. The incessant anti and pro-army propaganda was just as much at fault for what happened here as the incessant Pro and anti-PTI propaganda (as well as the few Pro-PMLN/PDM propaganda peddlers, I’m glad we can all agree to hate on them).

We simply can’t have nice things I suppose, and no hard feelings either, I have nothing against you or any member on here personally, it’s just all the general groups of people that formed here, the microchasm of how Pakistani populace is in general, it really shows how the country itself is sort of failing the same way for the same reasons as this place. But we can only hope and pray things get better, at the end of the day, Pakistan Zindabad, Always.

To the few members that continued to contribute positively to the end, thank you for all the discussions and insights, i learned a lot and wish I can continue to learn from you all; @PanzerKiel @Signalian @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @arslank03 @Jango @RescueRanger @fatman17 @LeGenD @Mumm-Ra @kursed @Raja Porus @Inception-06 @Joe Shearer @siegecrossbow and many more who I’ve inevitably missed.​

 

[fatman17]

I have not and do not disagree with a lot of what you’ve said in the past and here, I too have tried often to get people to see the difference between the errors of the few and why they shouldn’t apply them to the entire forces. The way everyone and anything to do with the armed forces has been villanized here in the last few years has been very disheartening, at some point I have up trying to convince people to not generalize and see things on a case by case basis as they deserved.

I would be lying if I said I didn’t see this shutdown coming from a mile away, that however does not make it any less sad that the leadership being criticized is petty enough to care that some obscure forum on the internet is saying things about them, or rather, the image they’ve created for themselves in the forces is such that the poor soldier tasked with monitoring this stuff thinks that this criticism is important enough to be suppressed, nobody should be under the illusion this went too high in the chain of command, because we both know that’s the bigger reason for this shutdown than whatever information was being shared here, most of it wasn’t sensitive enough to matter, a lot of the information in the earliest years of this forum that still remains on here is far more sensitive than anything shared here in recent years, the forum has degraded that much.

everything else was just a catalyst, the sensitive information, sensitive or not, was simply a reason for the Babus in the intelligence agencies to think that this place is an actual threat. Same goes for all the baseless allegations of martial laws and bajwa or Asim being some Israeli agents, that shit is so stupid that nobody should take it seriously, but given all the circumstances around it, someone ended up thinking it was enough of an issue. The LoC and other casualties, the PA hides fatalities, nothing new, they had a problem with the people on Twitter who pointed out inaccuracies and anomalies in the fatalities too, they’ve had it forever. One could say it’s to not give the enemy an advantage because more often than not they don’t know the causalities either, it could encourage them, that’s fair, but with the general image of the forces, even when they do the Same things they always did, people assume a negative connotation, and we see a knee jerk reaction by people in the forces who are tasked with handling PR, but have never actually had to deal with a public that is aware, they can silence reporters, but now they’re realizing it’s hard to silence the public, in the past this was never an issue, for better or for worst this is the first time in Pakistans history the army has had to try harder than basic nationalistic tendencies to convince the public.

I too am tired of the constant useless abuse hurled at everyone and anyone on this forum in the last years, some fucking idiots went so far as insulting fallen soldiers and desecrating discussion about civilian casualties. Wether towards a deserved party or not, it simply shouldn’t happen because it adds nothing to discussion and also attracts unwarranted attention, this is still definitely suppression of speech by people who are trying hard to maintain their false images. That is why it is sad, in a perfect world this criticism would be allowed, but then, in a perfect world, this criticism wouldn’t be needed.

This forum really, really needed to step up its moderation, it’s unfortunate how much abuse and misinformation was allowed on here that led to this. If it was up to me I’d have banned all political discussion in general, this forum could serve its purpose so much better being a tool for solely military, historical and technological discussion. The incessant anti and pro-army propaganda was just as much at fault for what happened here as the incessant Pro and anti-PTI propaganda (as well as the few Pro-PMLN/PDM propaganda peddlers, I’m glad we can all agree to hate on them).

We simply can’t have nice things I suppose, and no hard feelings either, I have nothing against you or any member on here personally, it’s just all the general groups of people that formed here, the microchasm of how Pakistani populace is in general, it really shows how the country itself is sort of failing the same way for the same reasons as this place. But we can only hope and pray things get better, at the end of the day, Pakistan Zindabad, Always.

To the few members that continued to contribute positively to the end, thank you for all the discussions and insights, i learned a lot and wish I can continue to learn from you all; @PanzerKiel @Signalian @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @arslank03 @Jango @RescueRanger @fatman17 @LeGenD @Mumm-Ra @kursed @Raja Porus @Inception-06 @Joe Shearer @siegecrossbow and many more who I’ve inevitably missed.​

The mods looked the other way on a lot of matters which has brought us to this stage. I'm all for openness etc but a line has to be drawn at some point . Too late unfortunately

 

[Enigma SIG]

Small men occupying big offices.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Ok people its been a long amd good run. Known many since last 12 years. Bon voyage

Signing out . Good bye

 

[Falcon26]

There are two issues here of PDF being monitored.

I joined in 2015, at that time PDF was observed and monitored by international intel agency as well as DOD related companies. There was a member called "Centcom" or something, he was not one person. That was an account made and used to read the psychology of Pakistan youth on international forum because the issue of radicalization and extremism in Pakistani youth was evident during the deployment of USA/NATO Forces in Afghanistan and the subsequent operations as JF TFs inside Pakistan.

Now the issue at hand. The issue started during Bajwa tenure. After RS departure, many people (members and public) wanted Bajwa to the same COAS as RS, which wasn't the case. As far as i noticed, two members started speaking openly against him, one was Xestan and other was R-Wing. It was surprising for me since R-Wing said he was related to some Govt dept in Pakistan and has conenctions and what not. Surprising coz when someone has good connections inside Govt then they wouldn't jeopardize their job, life, friends, connections etc. Anyways, though not a fan of Bajwa, I knew how things went around in military and bureaucracy circle so I confronted both of them but this was the start.

At one point, the senior Mod at that time, Arsalan, talked to me and told me to pacify, I backed off. R-Wing and Xestan still kept going. This was followed up by posts in internal security where FC troops were getting hit and martyrdom. Me and PK gave clarification of how FC is handled by MOI, not COAS, apart from other things. However, no one wanted to understand how operations are planned, run and handled by FC or by military.

The seed had been sown to show disgruntled behavior against Military top brass- starting from talking against Bajwa.

After Feb 2019, many secrets were revealed on online forum regarding IAF and PAF operational strategy and the usage of fighter aircrafts and details about them. This prompted intel agencies (Pakistan and others) to scan BS, Indian defense, Sino defense and Pakistan defense forums. The use of Big data and data analysis was full on in swing at intel agencies during that time.

I had a hunch before that about the discussions on LOC firing and the count of deaths of soldiers from both sides were kept in record by Pakistani and Indian members. However that was sidelined. The brains of Indian members work up to cricket matches and run scoring, who scores more kills on LOC, and Pakistanis are emotional brats who want to then play tit for tat. Childish, so sidelined.

Post 2015, watsapp, FB, and other online media had been infiltrated by some intel agencies including Pakistani intel agencies. This was mainly to keep an eye on mobile communication using data to coordinate attacks by terrorists however the general public and Army personnel also started making groups for coordination and discussions, though not anti-state entirely.

When the issue of IK removal came then the crap really the fan. This was about emotions which leaves no space for wisdom to handle things. Before, I had talked to Waz who was senior Mod and told him which intel agency had recently scanned the forum and some posts containing sensitive data had to be deleted. So basically, PDF admin knew what was going on. I confronted Jango , Agnostic and other Title holders too. They started tp confront me. What is the use ?

But in reality what happened ? Every member who favored IK tried to become an egoistic hero on PDF. Open statements against Army, COAS, Generals, Govt officers, ministers, head of departments etc, You name it and there are abuses hurled against everyone in government positions. Not just that, against every politicians.

This is what PDF has become !
A place of hatred, a tool/medium to spread hate against Pakistan, Government officers, Military and state.

Webby has been made a scapegoat. His forum has been used by every coward who couldn't speak face to face or openly infront of Government. PK and I have tried to tell repeatedly, to clarify starting from how dry day works, how things work in Military HQs, how and why operations are conducted, about LOC, about martial laws, MRAPs, drones, FC Ops etc. This is to no avail since everybody thinks that whatever media says is correct as long as it suits their narrative. The truth is in the real life, its not in media spread online through different channels. So many topics are posted everyday but honestly 99% of them are rubbish with wrong information. Bajwa will take over Pakistan, Bajwa will get another extension, Bajwa will do martial law, etc, all just rubbish, all false, all lies. Bajwa is just one example. Abusing NS, Bilawal, Maraym, even PTI members, opening thread after thread as a counter to a previous thread. What really can you prove online ?

PDF mods and admin couldn't stop the flow of false information and then more useless discussions on them, more cursing, more abusing etc. Not all the information was wrong, there were ways to discuss it but with minds already made up and filled with hatred, what did you expect ?

I always kept telling that none of this affects GOP or Military, and it didn't and it wont. There was so much ego against me which blinded the members who replied my posts. I only laughed at the end but PDF going down is not what I expected since I knew mods are capable intelligent people. They are responsible people who though have lives to live in real but also are good people who understand how to carry out mod tasks.

A lot has happened since 2022, where as 2023 is ending. maybe deadline is 31st Dec 2023 and PDF may not live to see 2024.

This is what negativity does, it burns. This is the result of anger and anguish which wasn't channeled properly. If this is what we Pakistanis do, then unfortunately we deserve it. Problems, issues, tragedies, etc come in life as they are a part and parcel of life but there are ways to solve them, not through anger or hatred or abuses or frustration, but through patience and determination. I think members solve the issues in their lives first by hurling abuses at that issue, then show anger to everyone around them and start pointing at someone to blame but themselves. This is what their posts on PDF show A lesson is to be learnt here.

I wish PDF wasn't shutting down.

The army junta itself is the biggest mercenary for foreign intelligence. They literally prostitute themselves to the highest bidder. Pakistan has become rentier state due to the duplicitous culture of the army junta.

The people of Pakistan have finally woken up to this duplicitous culture and hence the panic among the army junta. They can not tolerate people openly discussion their crimes and so they are targeting anyone they deem a threat. This is why a bunch of 20-year olds on an online forum have become a national security threat.

You peddle the fictions concocted by the army junta because you benefit from being a one-dimensional sycophant for them.

 

[Samlee]

Small men occupying big offices.

So PDF Is Getting SHut Down But Hajira Khan Can Write Whatever The Hell She Wants Wow Just Wow

 

[IceCold]

Sadly it’s what written on the tin bro. If anything happens we will let you know. But things don’t look good.

Hi waz, though the servers were outside Pakistan so what exactly changed? Has the administration decided to give in to this terrorist junta imposed on us.
We all know they have no legal grounds and only delaying the inevitable.

 

[Bilal.]

Please keep us updated on a new forum!

Join the two discords. The main thing for the members to stick together till the new forum comes up. That’s why the discord has been created, once the forum is created it would be shared there to all members.

 

[TheSolution]

@TheSolution bhai discord join karo
Wahan connected rahein ge
Server link: https://d i s c o r d . g g/ZWsFmffB

Discord download: https://d i s c o r d . c o m

Please, let's not pretend here!!

Everyone with an ounce of an intellect understands the why and when of all this.

Some Zionists did try to use this act as an oppoortunity to overtake the narrative, but the pictures of dead Palestinians babies, toddlers and children did not let them use any excuse.

They were seen as defending the slaughter of babies and even they had some shame.

The cucked slaves of Zionists ruling Pakistan worship $$ and nothing else. Only beta bottoms allow a Whore to pull strings and that too to give cover and breathing space to Zionist baby killers.

May Allah punish them and do to them and their whole families what they did to the poverty stricken refugee!

Tried as anticipated and also failed as anticipated

You need to use your intellect and realise that's exactly why they chose this timing because news of Israel always dominates the media and they could get away with it with minimal backlash

Common sense

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes we can, I'll share a temporary place for now while we build up a secure outlet.

Include me in.

 

[Deino]

@Deino please make a Pakistan section on Sino defense
I don't like Defense hub

@Deino how about u guys expand sdf to a broader defence forum

Honestly, SDF has - as many of you know - a much stricter line of discussing or in fact forbidding to discuss political topics and I'm not willing to change this.

As such, anyone who want to switch can do that as long as he obeys to the rules. Any such hate speech, spreading of political agendas and propaganda which is common here, will not be tolerated.