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Is it the Goverment of Pakistan/Pakistan Army doing this ? Or something/someone else ?
Military let the forum run in the past as it was free propoganda machine

Now it back fired they are closing all forums not just PDF

Siasat.com was closed but owner is sitting out of the country

What doesn't make sense is why don't ban Internet and Facebook??

Is it the Goverment of Pakistan/Pakistan Army doing this ? Or something/someone else ?

So issue isn't to stop propoganda, as Facebook is biggest source but just to get back at people like 8 year old kid .. otherwise siasat.com is being operated as owner is sitting out of the country

We all know Asim munir sahab tenure is 6 years so for 6 years don't expect a chance for it to come back.
afterwards depends who knows

Rest in peace PDF


Lastly people who say it's because sensitive info was leaked are stupid I have never seen any major leaks here.


Those who say it is good sample size to judge Pakistanis psych are also idiots..this forum is small and no way an accurate representation of people of Pakistan (for starters only defense enthusiastic people are here)
 
Lastly people who say it's because sensitive info was leaked are stupid I have never seen any major leaks here.


Those who say it is good sample size to judge Pakistanis psych are also idiots..this forum is small and no way an accurate representation of people of Pakistan (for starters only defense enthusiastic people are here)


This is a valid point.

A tik tok video is doing the rounds where Muneera's face is fixed on a Ranger's soldier doing some laughable stunts in some street.

The video is viral on tik tok, fb and twitter now.

The reach of that single tik tok video is a thousands times more than the views this forum gets in a single day.

I think some entited brat got his feelings hurt.

This is what ails this country.

Too many dungars who feel entitled to be respected.
 
There are two issues here of PDF being monitored.

I joined in 2015, at that time PDF was observed and monitored by international intel agency as well as DOD related companies. There was a member called "Centcom" or something, he was not one person. That was an account made and used to read the psychology of Pakistan youth on international forum because the issue of radicalization and extremism in Pakistani youth was evident during the deployment of USA/NATO Forces in Afghanistan and the subsequent operations as JF TFs inside Pakistan.

Now the issue at hand. The issue started during Bajwa tenure. After RS departure, many people (members and public) wanted Bajwa to the same COAS as RS, which wasn't the case. As far as i noticed, two members started speaking openly against him, one was Xestan and other was R-Wing. It was surprising for me since R-Wing said he was related to some Govt dept in Pakistan and has conenctions and what not. Surprising coz when someone has good connections inside Govt then they wouldn't jeopardize their job, life, friends, connections etc. Anyways, though not a fan of Bajwa, I knew how things went around in military and bureaucracy circle so I confronted both of them but this was the start.

At one point, the senior Mod at that time, Arsalan, talked to me and told me to pacify, I backed off. R-Wing and Xestan still kept going. This was followed up by posts in internal security where FC troops were getting hit and martyrdom. Me and PK gave clarification of how FC is handled by MOI, not COAS, apart from other things. However, no one wanted to understand how operations are planned, run and handled by FC or by military.

The seed had been sown to show disgruntled behavior against Military top brass- starting from talking against Bajwa.

After Feb 2019, many secrets were revealed on online forum regarding IAF and PAF operational strategy and the usage of fighter aircrafts and details about them. This prompted intel agencies (Pakistan and others) to scan BS, Indian defense, Sino defense and Pakistan defense forums. The use of Big data and data analysis was full on in swing at intel agencies during that time.

I had a hunch before that about the discussions on LOC firing and the count of deaths of soldiers from both sides were kept in record by Pakistani and Indian members. However that was sidelined. The brains of Indian members work up to cricket matches and run scoring, who scores more kills on LOC, and Pakistanis are emotional brats who want to then play tit for tat. Childish, so sidelined.

Post 2015, watsapp, FB, and other online media had been infiltrated by some intel agencies including Pakistani intel agencies. This was mainly to keep an eye on mobile communication using data to coordinate attacks by terrorists however the general public and Army personnel also started making groups for coordination and discussions, though not anti-state entirely.

When the issue of IK removal came then the crap really the fan. This was about emotions which leaves no space for wisdom to handle things. Before, I had talked to Waz who was senior Mod and told him which intel agency had recently scanned the forum and some posts containing sensitive data had to be deleted. So basically, PDF admin knew what was going on. I confronted Jango , Agnostic and other Title holders too. They started tp confront me. What is the use ?

But in reality what happened ? Every member who favored IK tried to become an egoistic hero on PDF. Open statements against Army, COAS, Generals, Govt officers, ministers, head of departments etc, You name it and there are abuses hurled against everyone in government positions. Not just that, against every politicians.

This is what PDF has become !
A place of hatred, a tool/medium to spread hate against Pakistan, Government officers, Military and state.

Webby has been made a scapegoat. His forum has been used by every coward who couldn't speak face to face or openly infront of Government. PK and I have tried to tell repeatedly, to clarify starting from how dry day works, how things work in Military HQs, how and why operations are conducted, about LOC, about martial laws, MRAPs, drones, FC Ops etc. This is to no avail since everybody thinks that whatever media says is correct as long as it suits their narrative. The truth is in the real life, its not in media spread online through different channels. So many topics are posted everyday but honestly 99% of them are rubbish with wrong information. Bajwa will take over Pakistan, Bajwa will get another extension, Bajwa will do martial law, etc, all just rubbish, all false, all lies. Bajwa is just one example. Abusing NS, Bilawal, Maraym, even PTI members, opening thread after thread as a counter to a previous thread. What really can you prove online ?

PDF mods and admin couldn't stop the flow of false information and then more useless discussions on them, more cursing, more abusing etc. Not all the information was wrong, there were ways to discuss it but with minds already made up and filled with hatred, what did you expect ?

I always kept telling that none of this affects GOP or Military, and it didn't and it wont. There was so much ego against me which blinded the members who replied my posts. I only laughed at the end but PDF going down is not what I expected since I knew mods are capable intelligent people. They are responsible people who though have lives to live in real but also are good people who understand how to carry out mod tasks.

A lot has happened since 2022, where as 2023 is ending. maybe deadline is 31st Dec 2023 and PDF may not live to see 2024.

This is what negativity does, it burns. This is the result of anger and anguish which wasn't channeled properly. If this is what we Pakistanis do, then unfortunately we deserve it. Problems, issues, tragedies, etc come in life as they are a part and parcel of life but there are ways to solve them, not through anger or hatred or abuses or frustration, but through patience and determination. I think members solve the issues in their lives first by hurling abuses at that issue, then show anger to everyone around them and start pointing at someone to blame but themselves. This is what their posts on PDF show A lesson is to be learnt here.

I wish PDF wasn't shutting down.
Bro, that's every where on social media. Look at X, Insta, FB etc, nothing but negativity, hate, argument, you think there's any constructive topics being discussed on those platforms. Nothing but useless, childish banter. But here at lease there was a good chunk of knowledgeable topics.
 
One of the reasons that this forum is so popular is this is the only forum where you can speak positive about China and don't get permanently banned. people around the world need a channel to learn balanced views.
 
Some time Surgeons remove one kidney to save the second one for our survival , for me PDF is more important than the data , remove it and transfer your domain to any other server , if this is not possible then let us to delete our all posts data and profile IDs before transferring PDF ownership to any other forum member , as it could be ends up in these fascist hands.
 
There are two issues here of PDF being monitored.

I joined in 2015, at that time PDF was observed and monitored by international intel agency as well as DOD related companies. There was a member called "Centcom" or something, he was not one person. That was an account made and used to read the psychology of Pakistan youth on international forum because the issue of radicalization and extremism in Pakistani youth was evident during the deployment of USA/NATO Forces in Afghanistan and the subsequent operations as JF TFs inside Pakistan.

Radicalisation ? Who brought this in Pakistan ?



Me and PK gave clarification of how FC is handled by MOI, not COAS, apart from other things. However, no one wanted to understand how operations are planned, run and handled by FC or by military.

Whose fault it is ?Army here, Army there, Army everywhere, it become difficult to believe when you say it’s not army. Army should have used big data to analyse the consequences of its presence everywhere.


The seed had been sown to show disgruntled behavior against Military top brass- starting from talking against Bajwa.

Here in France, when Arabs or Subsaharian Africans tell me they are victime of hate, racisme etc, I ask them what they have done to be victims of hate, or what they don’t have done to not be victims of such hate and racism : they become red faced ! Because they know the answer!

After Feb 2019, many secrets were revealed on online forum regarding IAF and PAF operational strategy and the usage of fighter aircrafts and details about them. This prompted intel agencies (Pakistan and others) to scan BS, Indian defense, Sino defense and Pakistan defense forums. The use of Big data and data analysis was full on in swing at intel agencies during that time.

Lol wasn’t the ISPR who gave many many informations ?

I had a hunch before that about the discussions on LOC firing and the count of deaths of soldiers from both sides were kept in record by Pakistani and Indian members. However that was sidelined. The brains of Indian members work up to cricket matches and run scoring, who scores more kills on LOC, and Pakistanis are emotional brats who want to then play tit for
Israeli army is better in scoring ! Have a look at their army how people love Tsahal ! Learn lesson from them.
Post 2015, watsapp, FB, and other online media had been infiltrated by some intel agencies including Pakistani intel agencies. This was mainly to keep an eye on mobile communication using data to coordinate attacks by terrorists however the general public and Army personnel also started making groups for coordination and discussions, though not anti-state entirely.

Wasn’t it the correct time for Army to correct itself ? Before doctors were giving antibiotics for 8 or 10 days and then they noticed the side effects, then they started to give antibiotics for 4 days only and if required then for longer duration. Army’s actions have created theses side effects. But never learnt from its mistakes.


When the issue of IK removal came then the crap really the fan. This was about emotions which leaves no space for wisdom to handle things. Before, I had talked to Waz who was senior Mod and told him which intel agency had recently scanned the forum and some posts containing sensitive data had to be deleted. So basically, PDF admin knew what was going on. I confronted Jango , Agnostic and other Title holders too. They started tp confront me. What is the use ?

IK was able to give the youngsters the hope of a bright future, which the old guard is not able, and the maker of governments in Pakistan was happy to remove IK because it meant losing grip on power.

Problems, issues, tragedies, etc come in life as they are a part and parcel of life but there are ways to solve them, not through anger or hatred or abuses or frustration, but through patience and determination.

Already 75 years of patience. World is moving on quantic computers, and , Army here, Army there, Army everywhere, we are still at giving free third grade laotopts to students.



It is still time for the Army to correct itself. I have spent all my life abroad defending Pakistan and our army, not knowing or not wanting to see the truth: how and why Israelis love so much their Army, and why in Pakistan, the Army of Pakistan itself is so criticised.
It’s still time for our Army to correct course of events.

At least uour post shown that army is very powerful against its own awam, but is nothing in front of Tsahal !

Pharaon’s ego also was badly affected. Don’t become the pharaon of the modern ages !

I received my nadra card few days ago… I think after this I will renonce to my Pakistani citizenship. There is no hope for Pakistan which will return to India sooner or later.
 
Once this forum is gone what are the alternate? where do other members planning to hang?

Sinodefence?
 
BACK TO STONE AGE ....
DHA IS ONE CONFUSED COMPANY.
COUNTRIES BEG FOR LOYAL CITIZEN LIVING ABROAD..
DHA TURNED ITS OWN 5TH GENERATION ARMY ON ITSELF...
AT LEAST PDF PROVIDED A PLACE WHERE OVERSEAS UPSET PAKISTANI CAN VENT OFF...
BUT NOW AFTER PDF GONE WELL
PAKISTANIS WILL BE PLAYED INTO ANYONE'S HAND...
THESE third class FA pass Duffers have totally lost....
DHA Duffers are still stuck in 1990s like Israel...
ITS 2023 you will give space someone most likely your enemy will take that space you DUFFERS company ...
Pakistan army generals are acting like some 3rd class
African general
General As im whis key
GENERAL Anju man
GENERAL As if gho foura
 
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Looks like most of the stupid pakeez and troll bhartoids here couldn’t help themselves and continued violating the terms @WebMaster was mentioning.

@WebMaster @waz @Jango

Could we get some clarification on what’s happening?


Some how I don’t think that is the reason .. far more vile stuff Geo TV and others do .

I think the fundamental issue is free independent thinking that shapes people’s view ..

Army is no longer the holy cow as perception of 80% of Pakistanis has changed

Note I am make the distinction between free speech and free thinking.
 
There is only ONE who can't handle
PDF is call of
General Asif ghoffara
rt general ASIM BAJWA's family chamchays in MARYLAND are constantly visiting this forum and can't help but do what their family always do "traitorhood"
so make a connection.....
 
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