PDF RULES AND REGULATIONS REVISED (INPUT NEEDED)

[jamahir]

Therefore, kindly refrain from using curse words or offensive words to a particular group such as, Youthia or Gangu or Noora along with racially charged slurs as well.

Thank you for noticing and including that.

 

[Norwegian]

let me be clear = PDF stands in unison / narrative wise with PAK ARMED forces and their doctrine , NOT PTI

PTI is the only pro establishment party around. So just get lost.

 

[Zarvan]

My only suggestion or let say fear is that this could the discussion completely. These many rules could keep many members on the edge and always in fear of getting banned

 

[YeBeWarned]

PDF Philosophy and vision:

PDF wishes to be a platform for ideas to be discussed openly and in a cordial productive manner. The reason for IDs where you can have a relatively high degree of anonymity is for you to do away with your person and be your ideas. However, that does not mean that the person behind the keyboard ceases to exist and therefore; we have these rules to enforce that environment where ideas can be exchanged, challenged and projected freely.

Most of the times engagement is needed not moderation. If you have such misinformation then please disprove it so someone who also believes that misinformation can have a counter as well. Just by scorching the earth it does no one any good. When it is weaponized then, yes, there are sections to deal with it.


There are members who feel it's ok to give death threats. World over, even lawyers are obligated to report, doctors and psychologists too. They tell that to their clients too. This point is in the same spirit. It's in accordance with the laws as well. Only if there is a legitmate reason would that happen.


That's our vision but it cannot be a rule.




Commenting on Management decisions

Any protest or questions on management decisions should be done at the GHQ section or via communication to contact@defence.pk email.

I tried, but most of Mods gang up on me and one of them even Banned me ..

 

[jaibi]

Welcome, sir.

Thank you for noticing and including that.

But you're here right now, brother; so why not reflect on that?

I tried, but most of Mods gang up on me and one of them even Banned me ..

No, brother, along with these rules I'm going to publish what our modding policy is. It'd be designed to balance the freedom of speech and give benefit of the doubt to the user. Therefore, make them feel easy to clear anything that's resulting from miscommunication or confusion. We're not here to punish people for speaking their mind but it's just that obviously we need to maintain an environment. Secondly, we'd have some range as to how do we address the user who's earned an infraction i.e. banning them from a particular thread or section or for a particular user etc., so the forum banning would be only reserved for very very serious stuff.

My only suggestion or let say fear is that this could the discussion completely. These many rules could keep many members on the edge and always in fear of getting banned

Please don't be rude.

PTI is the only pro establishment party around. So just get lost.

 

[jaibi]

I certainly would encourage you to inspire people to reflect on their writings. Personally, I prefer to be given a straight-forward answer as well but then again, not everyone is OK with that brutality, if you will; as my intent is aid a person's learning then I'd adapt to them and inform them without causing offense. Reluctantly, I think it's wiser to maintain the course and allow people to learn and grow by engaging in conversation however they can. Perhaps, it's a philosophical difference because you appear to see language as a skill but for me it is a tool.

Let me share an anecdote. During my graduate studies, we were using a textbook written by an Israeli author. My professor asked me to contact him to clarify something in the book. His reply came, severely rebuking me for being disrespectful because I had used incorrect spelling. When I apologized he further chastised me. Then he told me that bad grammar and spelling are inexcusable, because all it takes to avoid them is to re-read your own writing. That's all. He said you are disrespecting the person you have addressed if you are not taking the time to read what you have written yourself.

Today, you can see the quality of my writing for yourself. Note that I was rebuked once. You need to admonish people for bad behavior, otherwise it will never change. Of course, along with admonishment, you need to provide pointers for improvement as well. Anyone showing lack of language skills should be restricted to a practice section where other users (and not just moderators) can help them. I am happy to help out one person per week myself.

In the age of auto-correction and spell checkers, bad spelling is inexcusable.

Noted, brother.

If I can add few things...

- Positive ratings on some members should be monitored... I will not point to a particular individual(s)... But such "Action" is many times used as a promotion material despite the Quality content of that post... (Insults,Threats etc...)... That is promoting certain individuals... and the consequences that goes with it.

- A "Particular" section... is yet to have a dedicated regional mod... and is used as an "escape" zone... Where some poster understand that posting in it... than another more "appropriate" sections may limit their ability to "Express" certain views.

B.reg

Agreed. Knowledge should make you humble. I'd love to teach what I've learnt as well.

lol; this is not academia; neither an English grammar forum; majority here have Urdu, punjabi, pashto, sindhi, balochi as their first language. It is not only very excusable but should not ever be a merit to restrict someone's critic or analysis/debate because of their language skills.

That'd be in our user-agreement section before signing up.

We need to have Disclaimer posted on homepage that what users share on forum from Third Party sites, PDF will not be held accountable for user opinion. We have had cases where legal notices were sent out threatening law suit for defamation and damage to reputation ......

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

So, here are my two cents for what's its worth. Everything is open for discussion defense products, up and coming technologies and other political, economic and social issues... current affairs and news events. Which is fine... but "defense", defending what? Core values? State boundaries? If you become a mirror image of the adversary, so to speak, what needs to be defended then? Facts are interpreted differently and especially from those with an agenda... anyways I don't want to go on and on ... but you got the idea...

 

[Ace of Spades]

How come gangu is offensive? It's for natives of ganga valley. @jaibi It's not a curse neither a racial slur

 

[KhanBaba2]

How come gangu is offensive? It's for natives of ganga valley. @jaibi It's not a curse neither a racial slur

There are very few people living in the ganga valley. The ganga valley ends at Hrishikesh. After that it is some hills and then the plains.

Can you give a link where people use the word Gangu for natives of the ganga valley.

 

[Moonlight]

I received an email from @Retired Troll in order to protest against his recent ban.
He thinks, a mod is very biased to his posts and bans him for absurd reasons.

 

[Zibago]

Indians

Why?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

FORUM RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR USERS

NOTE: The thinking is that this is a descending list, as you move down the list, the violations become less severe in terms of our awarding of warning points. There are overlaps but each violation has been garnered to leave no room for interpretations to somethings uniquely faced at PDF. Comments would be highly appreciated


PDF Philosophy and vision:

PDF wishes to be a platform for ideas to be discussed openly and in a cordial productive manner. The reason for IDs where you can have a relatively high degree of anonymity is for you to do away with your person and be your ideas. However, that does not mean that the person behind the keyboard ceases to exist and therefore; we have these rules to enforce that environment where ideas can be exchanged, challenged and projected freely.

Ethnic / political / nationalistic hate

Needless to say, PDF wishes to be a productive exchange of ideas and not a place of spreading communal, national, political or religiously motivated hatred. Members found involved in such activities would be severely penalized.

Sectarianism

PDF holds zero tolerance towards any sectarianism. Any material garnered towards inciting sectarianism in any form would be heavily penalized. PDF is not the place to have a dialogue on religious interpretation and anyone using that to create divide and unrest can be permanently banned as well. Please consider that criticizing any government, nation or person independent of bringing sect in is possible.

Religious Discussions

PDF proudly maintains respect for all religions therefore; as PDF is primarily a defense and geopolitical forum, the management feels that, it is not the place for religious discussions. Kindly do not post religious threads nor respond to any and, please, refrain from using religion in arguments. It should be noted that ethnicity is different from religion, Muslims/ Hindu/ Christians are ethnicities and Islam / Hinduism / Christianity are religions. This also includes sectarianism as well; PDF is not the place to have a dialogue on religion. Violation of this rule would be considered serious as it often leads to issues based on religious / communal tensions.

Inciting violence

Any post or thread inciting or encouraging violence would be penalized and if need be all information required would be shared with the appropriate authorities. PDF holds a zero tolerance policy towards such materials.

Special Section: using social issues for inciting ethnic / nationalistic / political hatred

Social issues such as sexual harassment, rape, child molestation or abuse are not to be used to incite ethnic / nationalistic / race inspired hatred nor political point scoring. PDF management would severely penalize any such threads / posts. If you are a good human being, kindly, be an ally of victims and do not abuse victims for your gains.

Racism

PDF is not a platform for spreading racism nor do we condone it. Any such threads / posts / materials would lead to heavy penalization.

Other forms of discrimination

Same goes for ethnic or nationalistic discriminatory views, aimed at stereotyping and berating members belonging to a specific area, country, religious, ethnic group

Sexism

There would be no tolerance for any threads / posts aimed at spreading sexism (berating / inciting / discriminatory behavior based on a person’s gender identity ). Such materials are not allowed at PDF

Inciting criminal activity

Any thread / post aimed at inciting or encouraging any activity deemed as a criminal offence would not be tolerated at PDF. (exceptions: political dissidents).

Spreading fake news

In today’s era, dubious or doubtful sources are being used by interest groups to twist perceptions of people usually for nefarious means. This is not allowed at PDF. Before you post, kindly, check the source yourself, a good practice is to verify the news from multiple sources before posting it on the site. If you are posting your personal opinion or the opinion of another person then clearly state it to be so, credit the original content. Do not masquerade opinions for news.

Threatening other members

Threatening other members is not at all allowed at PDF. We’re in the process of recording the IPs of such members and would be kept in record if there may be a need for the legal set up to be involved. There are laws covering your activity and PDF would fully cooperate with the authorities in any such incident.

Individual Harassment

Kindly do not ruin PDF for other members; such behavior includes following a member around PDF and replying their posts with harassing content such as thinly veiled threats or passive aggressive behavior or making the member feel as if they are being harassed. Such accusations would be investigated and would result in a ban. Moreover, kindly, do not share personal information about any member on PDF. We are a public forum, nor attempt to garner such information using PDF

Trolling

Any content or response given with the intent of simply antagonizing people (such as a particular group e.g. Pakistanis, Muslims, Christians, Women, Hindus, Indians, Africans et/.,) or a particular individual in order to garner a negative emotional response is considered trolling. More generally, essentially trolling is bullying online where by either a person is subjected to denial of opportunity to speak or making them feel very bad or inflaming them to be upset only. It is understood that during dialogues on sensitive issues there would be some words considered offensive but as long as it is not generalized to justify discrimination or packaged as a personal attack then that is acceptable because the spirit of the exchange is reflection or sharing of an opinion. Responding to trolling is deemed as ‘feeding the trolls’ and would be considered trolling too. It is not justifiable to respond to trolling with trolling and would also be addressed.

Trolling is a widespread problem and user’s postage history would be taken into account. Repeated offenders may face a permanent ban and trolling is taken seriously at PDF. Kindly, it does not help anyone and causes a ruining of the decorum therefore, would be dealt with appropriately.

Flaming / baiting

A special form of trolling whereby, threads or posts aimed at inciting an individual or group of people to be emotionally charged and incite fighting are not allowed. PDF is especially against using such posts or threads to incite hatred against politically belligerent nations or group of people e.g. Indians, Pakistanis or Saudis, Iranians etc. This would only add fuel to the flames. That’s not what PDF stands for.

Propaganda

Sometimes the news sources are being used to spread propaganda : weaponized information aimed at achieving a certain political goal. Usually this is to incriminate hatred amongst groups of people or vilify them. PDF does not believe in aiding the spread of propaganda, that does not mean that PDF is closed to discussions about such pieces. When you are to post such pieces of information for the sake of discussion or clarification, kindly clearly state so in your post otherwise it would be treated as aiding the spread of propaganda and would result in penalization.

Indoctrination

Sharing of information garnered at indoctrination of the public are not allowed. That includes political / religious / ethnic indoctrination are not allowed at PDF and would be penalized.

Political name calling

Using politically degrading names are not what PDF stands for and this applies for every country. PDF is politically neutral.

Political campaigning

You are encouraged to engage in political debates as well as project your own views about the political philosophy that you hold. However, PDF is not a platform for garnering political capital such as votes. Such threads or posts would be penalized. That doesn’t mean that you do not project your views or encourage others to vote, voicing your opinion as to who, in your view, should get to be in power. However, running political ads on behalf of political parties and hijacking the platform/ threads/ posts is not what PDF is for.

Personal attacks

Do not attack any individual nor use any abusive language towards their ethnic / national / religious identity for any purpose.

Profanity

Please, try to be courteous as you would be in public. This is a public forum and there are real people behind the keyboard. Therefore, kindly refrain from using curse words or offensive words to a particular group such as, Youthia or Gangu or Noora along with racially charged slurs as well. This would result in penalization. This is for the general decorum of the forum.

Promotion of a business

PDF is meant for intellectual discussions and not business promotions. In case you have such an idea where you think it would be productive then kindly contact at email address: contact@defence.pk before making any such threads/ posts.

Impersonating / multiple accounts

Everyone on PDF is allowed one account; usage of multiple IDs or impersonation of any user for any purposes would result in a ban. Users are requested to contact the management in case of dual accounts may be used in order to not be penalized for multiple accounts.

Spamming

Repeated messages either nonsensical or intended to scam people would ensue a permanent ban. Posts of business promotion would be considered spamming unless the senior management has been informed before postage.

Commenting on Management decisions

Any protest or questions on management decisions should be done at the GHQ section or via communication to contact@defence.pk email.

Photos and Videos

Please, try to share multimedia covered by creative commons or those in public domain. Sharing copyrighted materials should be with consideration to copyright laws. Violation of this rule may result in moderation or further actions. Always credit the original poster with permission to resupply.

Off-Topic Posts

Anything that does not add value to the discussion being had or does not say anything about the thread may be liable for deletion and repeated violations may result in penalization. Please, do know that going into tangents is encouraged (something related to the thread, such as discussing a conflict economically rather than militarily) but off-topic derailment is not encouraged (bringing in social issues in order to derail a thread about geopolitics, for instance).

Sharing explicit/ graphic content

Any material showing gore/after effects of violence/ graphic things or adult material (pornography) is strictly not allowed on PDF. Please, share only images / content which is considered safe for work (SFW) as a general guideline.

ANYTHING which is even REMOTELY anti-Pakistani or anti-Pakistan allies should be deleted and the perpetrator banned permanently. Please do not let PDF become a platform where the enemies of the Pakistani people and nation can spew their hatred and propaganda against us like they did between 2010 and 2019.

 

[WebMaster]

I received an email from @Retired Troll in order to protest against his recent ban.
He thinks, a mod is very biased to his posts and bans him for absurd reasons.

Garbage posts will no longer be tolerated and this thread is out of place to vouch for people. They have the GHQ (after the ban) or email address to contact at.

 

[jaibi]

It's not up to us to tell them what they find offensive or not. To a racist person the n-word is also OK because it's addressing people of black skin. They find it offensive and I think it should be respected.

How come gangu is offensive? It's for natives of ganga valley. @jaibi It's not a curse neither a racial slur

Essentially become an echo-chamber? We're not afraid of facing our foes nor too weak minded not to be able to take constructive criticism. Like Pakistan, PDF, isn't going towards isolation and I agree with that policy.

ANYTHING which is even REMOTELY anti-Pakistani or anti-Pakistan allies should be deleted and the perpetrator banned permanently. Please do not let PDF become a platform where the enemies of the Pakistani people and nation can spew their hatred and propaganda against us like they did between 2010 and 2019.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It's not up to us to tell them what they find offensive or not. To a racist person the n-word is also OK because it's addressing people of black skin. They find it offensive and I think it should be respected.


Essentially become an echo-chamber? We're not afraid of facing our foes nor too weak minded not to be able to take constructive criticism. Like Pakistan, PDF, isn't going towards isolation and I agree with that policy.

Agreed to some extent but we are quintessentially a Pakistani forum. We need to promote our culture, heritage, religion and way of life. We should not become a platform to allow our enemies to be racist towards us or insult Islam. A lot if indians do therefore they should not be allowed on PDF.