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'Pay China First' -- Republicans' Wild Plan To Avoid U.S. Debt Default


New Republican legislation in the House and Senate would force the U.S. government to reroute huge amounts of money to China and other creditors in the event that Congress fails to raise its debt ceiling.

"I intend to introduce legislation that would require the Treasury to make interest payments on our debt its first priority in the event that the debt ceiling is not raised," Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) wrote in a Friday Wall Street Journal op-ed.

If passed, Toomey's plan would require the government to cut large checks to foreign countries, and major financial institutions, before paying off its obligations to Social Security beneficiaries and other citizens owed money by the Treasury -- that is, if the U.S. hits its debt ceiling. Republican leaders insist they will raise the country's debt limit before this happens. But first, they're going to try to force Democrats to accept large spending cuts, using their control over the debt limit as leverage. That means gridlock, and the threat that they'll come up short.

That's where Toomey's idea supposedly comes in. And yet, according to the Treasury Department, his plan wouldn't actually avoid a default, or its catastrophic consequences.

"[T]his idea is unworkable," said Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin in a statement. "It would not actually prevent default, since it would seek to protect only principal and interest payments, and not other legal obligations of the U.S., from non-payment. Adopting a policy that payments to investors should take precedence over other U.S. legal obligations would merely be default by another name, since the world would recognize it as a failure by the U.S. to stand behind its commitments."

The full impact of an actual default is unclear, but Treasury, and independent experts have warned that it would among other consequences, cause an enormous loss of wealth among U.S. citizens. Under the circumstances, one would think that the government's top priority would be ensuring that citizens owed money by the Treasury would take precedence over, say, foreign governments. But that wouldn't be the case if Toomey and some House Republicans, including Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH), get their way.

The Administration thinks such a policy would be tone deaf. "Such a policy would also be unacceptable to American servicemen and women, retirees, and all other Americans, who would rightly reject the notion that their payment has been deemed a lower priority by their government," Wolin added.

The top Democrats on the House and Senate Budget Committees call it a jaw-droppingly bad idea.

"I think it is a dreadful idea," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) told National Journal. "Basically what they are saying is, pay China first. Are we going to forget about the American public and the things that they need? Somehow they are secondary? And paying the Chinese and the Japanese is the first priority of this country? I don't even know how to describe that idea; it's just a very, very bad one."

His House Democratic counterpart, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), added "What they are saying essentially is that the full faith and credit of the American government extends to a lot of foreign countries, but it doesn't extend to the American people themselves."

Officials don't expect the U.S. to reach its debt limit until Spring. That gives John Boehner and Mitch McConnell (and, perhaps, Harry Reid) several weeks to figure out how to raise it. But Republicans on the Hill remain divided over if and how to get that done. And, it seems, about how to move forward if they fail.
 
If passed, Toomey's plan would require the government to cut large checks to foreign countries, and major financial institutions, before paying off its obligations to Social Security beneficiaries and other citizens owed money by the Treasury

pakistan militry aid to be cut.........
 
Defaulting on your loans is a seriously damaging prospect, especially for debtor nations which need to borrow on a regular basis.

So I don't blame them for wanting to do everything they can, in order to avoid a default.
 
If passed, Toomey's plan would require the government to cut large checks to foreign countries, and major financial institutions, before paying off its obligations to Social Security beneficiaries and other citizens owed money by the Treasury

pakistan militry aid to be cut.........

I didn't know Pakistan the country was actually a person and an US citizen.
 
My understanding is that the US has two paths: hyperinflate its way out of crushing debt burdens or raise interest rates, sell assets (for example Guam or Hawaii) and pay off the debt perhaps at a discount.

The former would benefit common Americans. But the rich would lose their shirts. The latter would be better for the rich but onerous for common Americans.

It would not be surprising to see Republicans go for the former while Democrats opt for the latter.
 
All US debt owners are hijacked. The only signal from this is US wishes the Chinese to continue to "play" along, or risk losing an arm or a leg. Along with Japanese or other major US debt creditors.
US will stand by his agreements to any country to pay you, in USD, that is. So long as US military can secure trees to feed to the print press. You want payment, here are the paper notes you demanded.

For any other country, you probably can break the front door open and demanding virgins, for US, they don't have to put Alaska on sale.

The debt US own is US dollars. Not gold.

And I bet the Chinese lack the will to hack along on this issue.

In the mean time, the world governments will happily milk more from their subjects.
 
All US debt owners are hijacked. The only signal from this is US wishes the Chinese to continue to "play" along, or risk losing an arm or a leg. Along with Japanese or other major US debt creditors.
US will stand by his agreements to any country to pay you, in USD, that is. So long as US military can secure trees to feed to the print press. You want payment, here are the paper notes you demanded.

For any other country, you probably can break the front door open and demanding virgins, for US, they don't have to put Alaska on sale.

The debt US own is US dollars. Not gold.

And I bet the Chinese lack the will to hack along on this issue.

In the mean time, the world governments will happily milk more from their subjects.

This is a major problem indeed. However, we must consider this: hyperinflation would wreck the US economy. nothing leads to regime change faster than hyperinflation. We saw this with France, Germany, even Zimbabwe. The US will not dare hyperinflate its way, otherwise the next Egypt would be the US itself, and printing dollars IS hyperinflating.
 
This is a major problem indeed. However, we must consider this: hyperinflation would wreck the US economy. nothing leads to regime change faster than hyperinflation. We saw this with France, Germany, even Zimbabwe. The US will not dare hyperinflate its way, otherwise the next Egypt would be the US itself, and printing dollars IS hyperinflating.

The only thing US fears is her European friends and Japan, not you, Sam does care about his image to his friends. For you, default everything (nicely orchesttrated, nobody can just say "I default")and start another currency is not totally out of the option. What you going to do about it? If China stops lending, and United States cares so much about China and Sam won't???

The wishful Chinese thinking of US would volunteerily release the US dollar status as world reserve currency is simply, in president Jiang's vocabulary to the Hongkong journalists, naive. :azn:
 
The only thing US fears is her European friends and Japan, not you, Sam does care about his image to his friends. For you, default everything (nicely orchesttrated, nobody can just say "I default")and start another currency is not totally out of the option. What you going to do about it? If China stops lending, and United States cares so much about China and Sam won't???

The wishful Chinese thinking of US would volunteerily release the US dollar status as world reserve currency is simply, in president Jiang's vocabulary to the Hongkong journalists, naive. :azn:

You have missed my point. If they try to just "pay" us, then more dollars are in circulation, the value of a dollar drops, that's inflation. At the scale the US is doing it at, it would lead to hyperinflation, a massive increase in prices, which has historically caused many regime changes. However, if the US is ruthless enough and crushes the massive riots and revolts that will accompany the hyperinflation, then it really will not affect the stability of the US, only its image will be taken down.

A major problem is that in certain niche technologies, the US has a significant lead over China, and those are "enabling technologies" that allow more discoveries to be made: STM, AFM, SEM, TEM, HPLC, GCMS and photolithography equipment. Until we have caught up, we can't flip faces with the US. This money might as well be a "protection fee".
 
You have missed my point. If they try to just "pay" us, then more dollars are in circulation, the value of a dollar drops, that's inflation. At the scale the US is doing it at, it would lead to hyperinflation, a massive increase in prices, which has historically caused many regime changes. However, if the US is ruthless enough and crushes the massive riots and revolts that will accompany the hyperinflation, then it really will not affect the stability of the US, only its image will be taken down.

A major problem is that in certain niche technologies, the US has a significant lead over China, and those are "enabling technologies" that allow more discoveries to be made: STM, AFM, SEM, TEM, HPLC, GCMS and photolithography equipment. Until we have caught up, we can't flip faces with the US. This money might as well be a "protection fee".

Riots? US has rock solid political foundation based on world-known principles, even though few are practiced. Whereas the Chinese side practicing capitlism by a communist party (in name name only?).

Technology? The only modern technology is the chips, to be able to manufacture/design. The leaders are US/Germany/Japan, I don't see a true friend of Chinese. And Chinese pulled the plug on their own effort of indigenous chip design (LOOON chips?), If I were Chinese leader, I would shoot that decision maker on site. However, I am also willing to give you some condolences, some chiip manuaturing technology in the world is ineed in the hands of chinese, Taiwanese, that is. And also the Intel foundry in Dalian seems to me more of a political stunt than a mere commercial judgement.

Chip technology to the Chinese is Nukes to them in the 50s & 60s. In mao's words, it must happen even if it's 10,000 years. Now you still want to say wow to your great leaders dressed up in western suits.
 
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Riots? US has rock solid political foundation based on world-known principles, even though few are practiced. Whereas the Chinese side practicing capitlism by a communist party (in name name only?).

Technology? The only modern technology is the chips, to be able to manufacture/design. The leaders are US/Germany/Japan, I don't see a true friend of Chinese. And Chinese pulled the plug on their own effort of indigenous chip design (LOOON chips?), If I were Chinese leader, I would shoot that decision maker on site. However, I am also willing to give you some condolences, some chiip manuaturing technology in the world is ineed in the hands of chinese, Taiwanese, that is. And also the Intel foundry in Dalian seems to me more of a political stunt than a mere commercial judgement.

Chip technology to the Chinese is Nukes to them in the 50s & 60s. In mao's words, it must happen even if it's 10,000 years. Now you still want to say wow to your great leaders dressed up in western suits.

I don't think you understand the implications of those instruments, nor know much about materials science or even wikipedia for "foundry model".

EDIT:

Seems like Longxin has already come out and was commercialized in 2005. It worked at the speed of a Pentium 3 and can only run Linux. It's primary use is in ultra low cost laptops for low income market.

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/55163528.html

The Longxin 2F is at 1Ghz, about the speed of a Pentium 4.

Longxin 3A is being researched.

http://tech.china.com/zh_cn/news/prize/11043068/20100825/16104314.html
 
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I don't think you understand the implications of those instruments, nor know much about materials science or even wikipedia for "foundry model".

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Seems like Longxin has already come out and was commercialized in 2005. It worked at the speed of a Pentium 3 and can only run Linux. It's primary use is in ultra low cost laptops for low income market.

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The Longxin 2F is at 1Ghz, about the speed of a Pentium 4.

Longxin 3A is being researched.

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I've heard about these news, but I think the chip effort has fizzled. The rest you mentioned I personally regard as non-critical technology.
The chip has adopted 386 instruction set. It's no more indigenous and the effort was totally "bought up."
 

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