Panetta concerned by Pakistan's treatment of Shakeel Afridi

[Alienoz_TR]

Live telecast was made direct to white house by seal teams by cameras, his body was brought to US ship and buried in the sea the same night.

Obama made announcement of killing of osama.

No pic, no video was revealed as they thought it may trigger Al-qaeda groups to carry out multiple attack in retaliation. Thats why all the evidence burnt (in public's eyes).

Last time I checked there was a single photo, but photoshoped one.

 

[KRAIT]

Last time I checked there was a single photo, but photoshoped one.

If u find it kindly post the link

Cheers

 

[Alienoz_TR]

If u find it kindly post the link

Cheers

Osama bin Laden Death Photo to Be Released? - The Hollywood Gossip

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

I do not agree to the notion that he man should be hanged but he was the reason for Pakistan's embarrassment on the world stage. In my opinion, he should be stripped of his citizenship and then he can become a US Citizen through the Investor program, using his bounty. Panetta should stop painting the guy as a hero, he did for the love of the bounty, not to end world terrorism.

This is like saying that a if a chain smoker went to the doctor and doctor diagnosed him suffering from cancer, its doctor's fault. The embarrassment was caused by the traitors in Pakistan who facilitated OBL's stay in Pakistan. And you are blaming the only part of Pakistan who came out smelling like roses in this episode. Talk about shooting the messenger..

 

[monitor]

If they really concern about this person why did they reveal his name ?

 

[A1Kaid]

DSA should not have spoke or got into contact with CIA or US personnel without authorization or consult of Pakistani Government or ISI. He should certainly be interrogated for whatever information he has.

 

[53fd]

These words by Leon Panetta are important:



Pakistani authorities, I am sure, are paying attention to the ramifications of whatever they decide.

What kind of ramifications? When OBL being found in Abbottabad on May 2 did not bring up any ramifications, do you think this will?

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

What kind of ramifications? When OBL being found in Abbottabad on May 2 did not bring up any ramifications, do you think this will?

Do you really believe finding OBL next to Pakistani capital in the biggest military academy town of Pakistan had no impact on how Pakistan is seen by the world? If you do, then I am sorry but you need to take off some of those blinders..

 

[zip]

This is like saying that a if a chain smoker went to the doctor and doctor diagnosed him suffering from cancer, its doctor's fault. The embarrassment was caused by the traitors in Pakistan who facilitated OBL's stay in Pakistan. And you are blaming the only part of Pakistan who came out smelling like roses in this episode. Talk about shooting the messenger..

just thinking... if this doctor has done same thing in other country he would have been a great hero by now ...
Through this episode one can peep in to the mass mentality prevailing in pakistan ..where a hero for the world has termed as a traitor and ............

 

[nirreich]

The Pakistani approach to the entire OBL capture is very symptomatic: instead of being grateful for the US for capturing the world most dangerous terrorist and doing what ISI failed to do they condemn the US on all sorts of stupid excuses.

Instead of punishing the a Pakistani who had a sense of morality and helped to capture OBL before another 9/11 would happened, Pakistan should concentrate on finding out how OBL could hide in proximity to its PMA and other military cantonments. How ISI did not know where he is hiding.

But I guess the best defence is attack, so Pakistan Army and ISI do exactly that. I find it hard to understand why the Pakistani people cooperate with the shamble cover-up.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Guys the info. that led to his capture, in its most most raw form, was passed on to CIA by ISI. The slip was that ISI did not follow-up on the info. and the Americans, taking the same info. built up credible intelligence database.

If you recall another important guy was nabbed from Abottabad some times before the OBL raid. That was one of the links that backed up the initial call intercepts forwarded by the ISI LI unit to the Americans. You can go to the bank on this info.

The slip up by ISI was not to follow-up on this info. I still suspect that the local police and the det people were either extremely careless or paid off/sympethisers by or to Al-Qaeda cause. Otherwise after the capture of a relatviely high profile courrier from Abottabad, things should have heated up.

I reslly do not think that ISI was hiding him otherwise he would have been long gone after the sharing of info. on call intercepts.

The reason that this guy is being given the heat is the fact that he did not share the information with Pakistan instead worked with the American without the knowledge of the ISI operatives. Afterall it was one of the biggest embarrasments that the agency had to face and they were made to look bad infront of the world. This is usual knee jerk reaction in this part of the world -- you have to save face at all costs. This is cultural issue and the western mindset does not fully grasp this concept.

 

[nirreich]

Guys the info. that led to his capture, in its most most raw form, was passed on to CIA by ISI. The slip was that ISI did not follow-up on the info. and the Americans, taking the same info. built up credible intelligence database.

If you recall another important guy was nabbed from Abottabad some times before the OBL raid. That was one of the links that backed up the initial call intercepts forwarded by the ISI LI unit to the Americans. You can go to the bank on this info.

The slip up by ISI was not to follow-up on this info. I still suspect that the local police and the det people were either extremely careless or paid off/sympethisers by or to Al-Qaeda cause. Otherwise after the capture of a relatviely high profile courrier from Abottabad, things should have heated up.

I reslly do not think that ISI was hiding him otherwise he would have been long gone after the sharing of info. on call intercepts.

The reason that this guy is being given the heat is the fact that he did not share the information with Pakistan instead worked with the American without the knowledge of the ISI operatives. Afterall it was one of the biggest embarrasments that the agency had to face and they were made to look bad infront of the world. This is usual knee jerk reaction in this part of the world -- you have to save face at all costs. This is cultural issue and the western mindset does not fully grasp this concept.

Can you share any information which support your claim that the original slip came form ISI?

Why there is no serous investigation in Pakistan on the failure to locate OBL?

 

[fd24]

just thinking... if this doctor has done same thing in other country he would have been a great hero by now ...
Through this episode one can peep in to the mass mentality prevailing in pakistan ..where a hero for the world has termed as a traitor and ............

If a guy went behind the back of your government and set up activities involving working with a foreign body in your land - doesnt matter the eventual consequences - are you unable to comprehend its wrong and is esbionage of the highest order? The result is not part of the discussion. What is being questioned is his loyalty to our nation. He plotted to set up something that was against the ethos of his nation.
If anyone approached me in the UK to do something like this my first port of call would be to the authorities. My heart is Pakistani - even if i dont live their. He should have shown his nation the respect that any citizen of any nation would.
btw i dont really care what Panetta thinks. He should look after his troops and stop them pissing on the dead rather than worry about a Pakistani national that betrayed his nation.
Our nation our land our prisoner our judiciary system will handle it.

 

[zip]

^^ if my government ,my army,my intelligence agency is working with them than what i supposed to do ? I can understand if he works for india for a different cause than he should be guilty of treason but here he is working with your official side of war on terror and did a splendid job ,helped in capturing a terrorist ....pat on his back for his work would have done wonders to public image of pakistan i guess

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Sorry I would not be able to do that as the process is quite hush, hush. I know what I know because of the nature of my job.

However, it has been reported in the press that all intercepts picked up by ISI with Arabic content is routinely passed on to the CIA liasion at ISI (Yes there is a whole set of people stationed inside ISI premises that are technical/communication experts from CIA!).

The haul up of the Indonesian from Abbotabad was a joint ops. between CIA and ISI. The thing that is bothering the Pakistanis is exactly this that when info. however insignificant, (In its initial form) was passed on to CIA on the Indonesian -- why was the info. in case of OBL was not shared and the "Nab" could have been a joint ops as was the case in the Indonesians' capture.

Uncle Sam with all its past positive and negative experiences with Pakistanis thought they could not take the chance on OBL. That was the call they made and both of us will bear the long term effects of such a decision.

Obama took that decision based upon the overall feedback from his regional experts and the political advisor. The qoup was too big and it had to have an "All American" stamp on it. Afterall, they were fighting a ten plus year war on getting this guys behind in the dock.

The cost was the relationship with Pakistan -- that is an expandable asset, always has been. So risks were taken and some popularity points were scored infront of the American public -something postitive to talk about in the next years elections.

I think it was a bad call because OBL by the time he was nailed was an insginficant personality in the AQ. Due to relentless persuit by both CIA and ISI, coupled with Drone strikes (Sanctioned by GoP as well) which has taken a heavy toll on AQ, the top AQ cadre has already left Pakistan or are leaving for Yemen and Somalia.