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Palestine wants UN vote for statehood


The Palestinian Authority will seek recognition as a state at the UN, a senior Palestinian official has said.

Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told the Voice of Palestine radio station Sunday that the Palestinians would initiate peaceful demonstrations this month to draw the world's attention to their appeal at the UN.

They, however, did not intend to enter into any clashes with the Israeli forces in Palestinian territories.

The chief negotiator asked the US and European countries to support the Palestinians and approve their statehood, the radio station said.

The New York Times reported quoting US officials that the Obama administration circulated a proposal for renewed peace talks with the Israelis in the hope of persuading Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to abandon the bid for recognition at the UN General Assembly session beginning Sep 20.

The US has made it clear to Abbas that it would veto any request presented to the UN Security Council to make a Palestinian state a new member.

Palestine wants UN vote for statehood - The Times of India
 
I think they have enough support to pass a General Assembly resolution.

The problem is... that the USA will veto it before it even gets to the General Assembly vote.

So it is kind of pointless.
 
I think they have enough support to pass a General Assembly resolution.

The problem is... that the USA will veto it before it even gets to the General Assembly vote.

So it is kind of pointless.
Please do some research before making such a ridiculous argument. The UN General Assembly can take on any issue and make any vote it want independent of the UN Security Council. Case in point is your own PRC when the UN General Assembly voted to make the PRC a UN member despite what the US wanted.
 
Please do some research before making such a ridiculous argument. The UN General Assembly can take on any issue and make any vote it want independent of the UN Security Council. Case in point is your own PRC when the UN General Assembly voted to make the PRC a UN member despite what the US wanted.

LOL, wrong on both counts. :lol:

The 15-member UN Security Council needs to recommend statehood to the General Assembly. If it does, then a vote on membership by its 193 members could take place on 20 September. Approval requires a two-thirds majority - or 128 votes. Currently 122 countries are said to recognise Palestine but the Palestinians hope they would gain the support of up to 150.

The US is the main obstacle to a General Assembly vote because it has veto power as a permanent Security Council member. In February, the US vetoed a resolution, which was co-sponsored by 130 countries, condemning Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories as an obstacle to peace. This time around, the Palestinians are hoping to persuade the US to at least abstain.

BBC News - Q&A: Palestinian statehood bid at the UN

Secondly, the USA did not veto the PRC's entry into the Security council in 1971. In fact, it was in 1971 that the USA recognized the PRC as the representative of all of China, and normalized relations.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758
 
I guess reading the entire article must be mentally taxing...

That is a "loophole", and only meant to be used in the most dire situations to maintain "world peace". When has it ever been used?

Next time you accuse people of "not doing their research", maybe try to do a little bit of reading yourself first. :lol::lol::lol:

Here, I'll help you again:

The US is the main obstacle to a General Assembly vote because it has veto power as a permanent Security Council member.

BBC News - Q&A: Palestinian statehood bid at the UN
 
Another BBC article:

The Palestinian Authority, which governs the Palestinian controlled parts of the West Bank, formally announced on Monday its intention to apply for full membership of the United Nations, arguing it can no longer wait for a paralysed peace process to bestow independence on the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.

But for that it will need to win approval from the Security Council and a two-thirds majority - or 128 votes - in the 192-member General Assembly (GA). The latter it can probably exceed, the former looks impossible as the US is expected to veto any such request.

BBC News - Heated diplomacy behind Palestinian statehood bid
 
We will see what the US will do this September 20th. If it vetoes the state bid......Then there will be consequences..
 
That is a "loophole", and only meant to be used in the most dire situations to maintain "world peace". When has it ever been used?

Next time you accuse people of "not doing their research", maybe try to do a little bit of reading yourself first. :lol::lol::lol:

Here, I'll help you again:



BBC News - Q&A: Palestinian statehood bid at the UN
The 'loophole' is not about admitting applicants to be a UN member as a recognized state but to bypass the Security Council in the event that body proved itself incapable of coming to a decision. This is your first error. Notice I did not say 'statehood' but that the General Assembly can take on any issue. The first such bypass of the Security Council was about Korea and the resulting Korean War. That was the reference to 1950.

Uniting for Peace - Main Page
Although the shifting of responsibilities to the General Assembly may not be consistent with the original intentions of the drafters of the Charter, it is today fully accepted that emergency special sessions have become an integral part of the legal order of the United Nations.
You can see in the above scholarly source that there has been many such 'bypasses' of the Security Council. So if the GA deems the Israelis-Palestinians conflict to be sufficiently destabilizing even to regional peace, let alone world peace, the GA can bypass the SC to take on the issue. If there are no historical precedents the Palestinians would not have consider that 'loophole' in the first place.

So did you really 'help' me in anything?
 
We will see what the US will do this September 20th. If it vetoes the state bid......Then there will be consequences..

such as??. . . . . .

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We will see what the US will do this September 20th. If it vetoes the state bid......Then there will be consequences..

such as??. . . . . .
 
I helped you to read, and I'll help you again:
Repeating the same argument is not going to help you one bit.

Secondly, can you tell me why Taiwan hasn't been able to get UN membership? They tried several times under Chen Shui-bian, but it was rejected every time.
Because there were insufficient causes for the GA to take it up after it received a decision from the SC. Petition for a vote does not automatically earn a meeting, let alone a vote. But you still need to reconcile what happened to the PRC despite what the US wanted. Can you do that?
 
The only way to help the Palestinians is to fix yourself Internally Give Women the right to drive, Improve shia rights, if Arabs cared about about the Palestinians so much why were they kicked out of every arab country, Saudi Arabia spends 60 billion on weapons that they will never use, why not Donate 60 billion to the Palestinians ?

Not sure if troll or just stupid:confused:
 
But you still need to reconcile what happened to the PRC despite what the US wanted. Can you do that?

Firstly, admitting a new member into the UN as a recognized state, was not what happened with China.

For China, the seat and the country didn't change... "China" held the seat since the very founding of the UN. What changed was the recognition that the PRC had succeeded the RoC, as the sole representative of China. Similar to how the Russian Federation succeeded the USSR.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 of 25 October 1971 recognized the representatives of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and expelled the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek "from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations".

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758

No new country was admitted to the UN, they only changed the representatives of a country that was already an existing member.

The Palestinians on the other hand, are looking to enter the United Nations as a new and recognized "state" in their own right.
 
Anyway this is off topic. Gambit if you want to dispute what the BBC has written, you can contact them from their website.

Until then, what they said, has remained uncontested by any evidence you have provided.

The US is the main obstacle to a General Assembly vote because it has veto power as a permanent Security Council member.

BBC News - Q&A: Palestinian statehood bid at the UN
 

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