Pakistan's PM Imran Khan admit discrimination was the cause of Bangladesh

[TMA]

No one gives a rats whether Pakistanis accept the narrative as rest of the world does.

Keep telling yourself that...it is your right....
And me thinks Bangladeshis do, especially those that are PDF members keeping bringing this issue up....

 

[django]

What has Mr. Sharif to do with the discussion at Hand?

Nothing........Everything!

 

[Nilgiri]

@Bengal71

Thread is locked, just wanted to answer your Q:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...ared-to-pakistan.593954/page-10#post-11058538

"Another Pakistani general wrote in his book Niazi started crying like a child when news was given to him, forgot the general's name now."

I believe this general was (the late) General Rao Farman Ali who wrote this book (and the relevant section where he quotes this... concerned his testimony during the hamoodur commision iirc) ....

Gen. Rao BTW is relative of our forum member @DANCING GIRL (aka jaanbaz rao) iirc.

@Joe Shearer @hellfire

 

[Neptune_]

Keep telling yourself that...it is your right....
And me thinks Bangladeshis do, especially those that are PDF members keeping bringing this issue up....

Bangladeshis do care about what rest of the world has to say regarding the atrocity carried out by the PAK army in 71. But don't delude urself by thinking that any Bangladeshi gives a flying **** to what some Pakistani believes. Most of the Pakistanis know only the propaganda that they have been fed by their military. Nothing more than that.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Although PM IK is my leader but I will completely disagree with him.I had same views before joining the PDF.Thanks PDF to educate me on this issue.Actually it was a planned propaganda just to get sympathies of the common people.
For Bangla peoples GDP per capita is the main criteria for gauging the progress and development.
GDP per capita of East PAK (BD) = 138.25 USD (1970)
GDP per capita of INDIA = 111.26 USD (1970)
what kind of discrimination was that when even ordinary East Pakistani was richer than ordinary Indian.
I will request PM to visit PDF some day.Then he will himself come to know how much crook are these BDees.They are the descendants of the professional liers.Look at their leader what he was doing secretly being a Pakistani political leader.

 

[Nilgiri]

GDP per capita of East PAK (BD) = 138.25 USD (1970)
GDP per capita of INDIA = 111.26 USD (1970)

These numbers don't mean much tbh (Esp for cross country comparison). Back then nominal GDP per capita was even worse a measure than it is today...as these countries didn't trade much (Esp in era of gold standard) with others...and thus the exchange rate was heavily distorted w.r.t actual consumption/production....and were guided mostly by govt induced capital flows at best (which is why they could basically peg them to US gold standard under brettonwoods without much 2nd thought).

It took brettonwood scrapping, removal of gold standard by the US (due to oil crisis combined with vietnam war spending) and greater (international) equity accumulation + trade levels + remittances in the developing world to notably increase in the 80s that prompted a bigger push for PPP (ICP system) to account for some of the systematic distortions (because major consumption not correlating with pure nominal started to crop up for development economists...incl the Pakistani* that was heavily involved with developing the Human Development Index).

@Jungibaaz @Joe Shearer @Major Sam @Indus Pakistan @farhan_9909 @VCheng @Chak Bamu @waz @Arsalan @Oscar @Chinese-Dragon @GeraltofRivia @Game.Invade @Hell hound @django @ziaulislam

*Mahbub ul Haq, more on him here:

https://www.economist.com/obituary/1998/07/23/mahbub-ul-haq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahbub_ul_Haq

 

[Skies]

Although PM IK is my leader but I will completely disagree with him.I had same views before joining the PDF.Thanks PDF to educate me on this issue.Actually it was a planned propaganda just to get sympathies of the common people.
For Bangla peoples GDP per capita is the main criteria for gauging the progress and development.
GDP per capita of East PAK (BD) = 138.25 USD (1970)
GDP per capita of INDIA = 111.26 USD (1970)
what kind of discrimination was that when even ordinary East Pakistani was richer than ordinary Indian.

I think the matter of economic discrimination needs to be examined (if anyone is interested) by finding the percentage of the share of the budget allocation with regard to the revenue generated from each wing of Pakistan and comparative value of wealth creation per capita in the East and West.

Because examining based on GDP value today might be faulty because of many base calculation factors which are changed tpday.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

These numbers don't mean much tbh (Esp for cross country comparison). Back then nominal GDP per capita was even worse a measure than it is today...as these countries didn't trade much (Esp in era of gold standard) with others...and thus the exchange rate was heavily distorted w.r.t actual consumption/production....and were guided mostly by govt induced capital flows at best (which is why they could basically peg them to US gold standard under brettonwoods without much 2nd thought).

It took brettonwood scrapping, removal of gold standard by the US (due to oil crisis combined with vietnam war spending) and greater (international) equity accumulation + trade levels + remittances in the developing world to notably increase in the 80s that prompted a bigger push for PPP (ICP system) to account for some of the systematic distortions (because major consumption not correlating with pure nominal started to crop up for development economists...incl the Pakistani* that was heavily involved with developing the Human Development Index).

@Jungibaaz @Joe Shearer @Major Sam @Indus Pakistan @farhan_9909 @VCheng @Chak Bamu @waz @Arsalan @Oscar @Chinese-Dragon @GeraltofRivia @Game.Invade @Hell hound @django @ziaulislam

*Mahbub ul Haq, more on him here:

https://www.economist.com/obituary/1998/07/23/mahbub-ul-haq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahbub_ul_Haq

Just wondering about the claim that Bangladesh was economically exploited by Pakistan prior 1971. If this was true, should Bangladesh be far more developed than LDC status after 40+ years’ independence as they could have retained all the benefits domestically?

 

[Nilgiri]

Just wondering about the claim that Bangladesh was economically exploited by Pakistan prior 1971. If this was true, should Bangladesh be far more developed than LDC status after 40+ years’ independence as they could have retained all the benefits domestically?

Well most of the GDP/equity/wealth was retained locally given the statist-socialist model that was popular back then in the region and developing/non-aligned etc world (i.e suppress the free market and have everything of economic relevance top down govt controlled)...and other factors (e.g the massive static economic momentum inherited from 100 years of extraction by a colonial power) and also tax administration etc just starting to scope out the whole "frontier" of this model and existing environment (this is a very long topic to discuss).

IMO, hypothetically... if we had the complete reverse sentiment+facts (whatever mix in reality happened) ...and say the argued resource transfer was actually in reverse (BTW I argue it is about 1% of GDP per year at most - and that too ignoring institutional development that could have been contributing to)..i.e it was the eastern wing supposedly enforcing it on the western wing ....there still would be negligible accumulated difference today given the much larger forces tending to the "95%" of the economy back then (you can forum search 95% and my user nick for more if you want):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...kout-on-march-25.548180/page-17#post-10321066

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/16th...an-to-bangladesh.84875/page-114#post-11036690

It is imo, simply a way to generate a certain victim complex...which has obvious political utility. In fact I argue that such a victim complex is something quite immoral at its root quite fundamentally without need for a "number-argument" (as most things that have only political rather than pragmatic utility):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/west...economical-stand.592453/page-11#post-11034154

@Skies @M. Sarmad @I.R.A @DESERT FIGHTER @Indus Pakistan @Desert Fox @Psychic @Chak Bamu @Major Sam @Game.Invade @Chinese-Dragon @farhan_9909 @Al-zakir @Atlas @Areesh @That Guy @Cookie Monster @waz @Arsalan @Dubious

 

[UKBengali]

Just wondering about the claim that Bangladesh was economically exploited by Pakistan prior 1971. If this was true, should Bangladesh be far more developed than LDC status after 40+ years’ independence as they could have retained all the benefits domestically?

Dude, BD had lost it's most valuable export earning by 1971 as jute had been mainly replaced by plastics.
BD has met all criteria to graduate out of LDC and economy is now growing 8% a year
while IMF predicts Pakistan will go down to 3% a year by 2023.
Ignore the weirdo who talks about "extraction ratio" here.

 

[VCheng]

These numbers don't mean much tbh (Esp for cross country comparison). Back then nominal GDP per capita was even worse a measure than it is today...as these countries didn't trade much (Esp in era of gold standard) with others...and thus the exchange rate was heavily distorted w.r.t actual consumption/production....and were guided mostly by govt induced capital flows at best (which is why they could basically peg them to US gold standard under brettonwoods without much 2nd thought).

It took brettonwood scrapping, removal of gold standard by the US (due to oil crisis combined with vietnam war spending) and greater (international) equity accumulation + trade levels + remittances in the developing world to notably increase in the 80s that prompted a bigger push for PPP (ICP system) to account for some of the systematic distortions (because major consumption not correlating with pure nominal started to crop up for development economists...incl the Pakistani* that was heavily involved with developing the Human Development Index).

@Jungibaaz @Joe Shearer @Major Sam @Indus Pakistan @farhan_9909 @VCheng @Chak Bamu @waz @Arsalan @Oscar @Chinese-Dragon @GeraltofRivia @Game.Invade @Hell hound @django @ziaulislam

*Mahbub ul Haq, more on him here:

https://www.economist.com/obituary/1998/07/23/mahbub-ul-haq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahbub_ul_Haq

Thank you for the tag, but I avoid getting involved in any topic related to Bangladesh, specially matters elated to its independence, simply because the inflamed passions on all sides preclude any rational discussion. Suffice to say that just like Pakistanis try to prove ad infinitum that they are better off than India after independence, so do the Bangladeshis in comparing themselves to Pakistan. It is only natural to seek such psychological reinforcements to quell internal doubts.

 

[Nilgiri]

Thank you for the tag, but I avoid getting involved in any topic related to Bangladesh, specially matters elated to its independence, simply because the inflamed passions on all sides preclude any rational discussion. Suffice to say that just like Pakistanis try to prove ad infinitum that they are better off than India after independence, so do the Bangladeshis in comparing themselves to Pakistan. It is only natural to seek such psychological reinforcements to quell internal doubts.

I tag ppl to read...further discussion is optional

 

[TMA]

Bangladeshis do care about what rest of the world has to say regarding the atrocity carried out by the PAK army in 71. But don't delude urself by thinking that any Bangladeshi gives a flying **** to what some Pakistani believes. Most of the Pakistanis know only the propaganda that they have been fed by their military. Nothing more than that.

Keep telling that to yourself...the only propaganda is from the Bangladeshi side on a 3 million genocide by the Pakistan Army....although this is not to say atrocities were not committed by Pakistan Army.....but Pakistan Army ain't the only guilty part in these.....

If Bengladeshis do not care what Pakistanis think then why do they keep bringing it year after year on PDF?

 

[VCheng]

I tag ppl to read...further discussion is optional

Correction, further discussion is impossible on certain topics unless only in an approved direction, and any deviations may be hazardous to one's continued presence on this forum.

But thank you for the tags, I do enjoy reading them.

 

[Neptune_]

manipulating facts and figure is the only real success post 1971, go see the condition of people on the ground

@Nilgiri

Keep telling urself that. Nobody cares. We have a better idea about what's happening on the ground than someone like u who lives thousands of miles aways from BD.