Pakistanis "on one page" in seeking friendship with India - PM Khan

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ISLAMABAD (Reuters) -- Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan said on Wednesday his government and the military want to mend ties with arch-foe India, in the latest bid to improve relations between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

"I, the prime minister, my political party, the rest of our political parties, our army, all our institutions are all on one page. We want to move forward," Khan said in a speech to open a new border crossing with India in Punjab province.

"If India takes one step forward then we will take two steps forward toward friendship," he said.

Pakistan's chief of army staff, General Qamar Javed Bajwa, was among the dignitaries at the inauguration ceremony.

The new crossing point, which will officially open next year, is about 120 km north of the Pakistani city of Lahore and will be used by Sikh pilgrims coming from India on a visa-free basis to visit holy sites in Pakistan.

The agreement is a rare instance of cooperation between the South Asian rivals which have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947.

Appealing for a thaw in ties, Khan called for improvements in trade and other cross-border interaction and urged ending poverty through cooperation.

Muslim Pakistan and mostly Hindu India have a range of disputes but their main bone of contention is the Muslim-majority Himalayan region of Kashmir, which they both claim in full but rule in part.

India accuses Pakistan of training and arming separatist militants battling Indian security forces in the Indian part of Kashmir.

Pakistan denies that saying it only offers political support to the Kashmiri people's campaign against what they see as unjust treatment by New Delhi.

Violence in Kashmir routinely triggers tension between the two countries.

In September, India called off a meeting between their foreign ministers to protest against the killing of Indian security personnel in Kashmir.

Khan said both countries stood to gain from better ties.

"We need leaders on both sides of the border who resolve to end this problem and I assure you the problem will be solved," Khan said.

"Can you imagine how much this would benefit both countries?"

However, it is Pakistan's military, not its civilian leaders, that has traditionally set policy towards India, and military leaders have invariably been more cautious.

The tourism minister of India's border state of Punjab, Navjot Singh Sidhu, was among officials who crossed the border for Wednesday's inauguration.

"Both the governments should realise that we have to move forward," Sidhu, a Sikh, said in a speech before Khan spoke.

Next year is the 550th anniversary of the birth of the founder of Sikhism, Guru Nanak, in a small village near Lahore.

Thousands of Sikhs from India and beyond every year visit a shrine in the Pakistani village of Kartarpur, where Nanak died.


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Very nice.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistan radicalised when it was doing better than India economically.

India is radicalising at a time when it's been on an upward economic swing of over two decades.

The US is radicalising and your markets are booming.

Cheers, Doc

Pakistan radicalized only when certain sections were paid off by Uncle Sam, and India's radicalization is nowhere near that yet, and it will soon die off I predict. What is happening in USA is a totally different game, meant to shake up the comfortably numb political system. It will right itself quite surely.

 

[randomradio]

Pakistan radicalised when it was doing better than India economically.

India is radicalising at a time when it's been on an upward economic swing of over two decades.

The US is radicalising and your markets are booming.

Cheers, Doc

India is not radicalising. India is merely being assertive.

 

[SirHatesALot]

right back at ya. infact just let kashmiris have a vote on it. but democracy ends there doesnt it

but i dont want to be phrends with you

 

[VCheng]

India is not radicalising. India is merely being assertive.

Just take care not to assert yourselves right into a corner, like many others in the region.

 

[padamchen]

India is not radicalising. India is merely being assertive.

A part of India is surely radicalising.

What you call being assertive is actually going to war with your own people.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Trango Towers]

but i dont want to be phrends with you

ask the ladies in your family. they love men from the north... you go be gay

when u decide to be an a55 you will be treated as such

 

[SirHatesALot]

ask the ladies in your family. they love men from the north... you go be gay

when u decide to be an a55 you will be treated as such

your mother raised you well masha udlya

 

[randomradio]

Just take care not to assert yourselves right into a corner, like many others in the region.

A part of India is surely radicalising.

What you call being assertive is actually going to war with your own people.

Cheers, Doc

A lot of Hindus are sick and tired of vote bank politics and the ridiculous levels of minority appeasement and are merely reacting to it through the power of the vote. They are now voting for parties that will take care of their interests instead, so vote bank politics has backfired on the ones who relied on it.

Here's a good example of said vote bank politics.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1065151336214278144

So all you see is an attempt to change the status quo. But it's being painted as radicalism in India because it serves the interests of the losing parties. The central govt has done nothing that shows any upward movement in radicalism, they are doing what they have continued doing for decades now. Rather the RSS says the BJP has become less less right-leaning than they should be since Modi came to power.

Also, there has been no radicalisation of the Hindu society either. As I said, it's only Hindus being more assertive and looking out for their interests. The sporadic episodes of small scale violence you see are merely political parties acting up and sending in their goons to do the dirty job, like the gau rakshak violence.

 

[Trango Towers]

your mother raised you well masha udlya

did u have a mother....you look like an experiment

 

[newb3e]

we want peace with everyone but unfortunately pissfull indians dont want it!

 

[padamchen]

A lot of Hindus are sick and tired of vote bank politics and the ridiculous levels of minority appeasement and are merely reacting to it through the power of the vote. They are now voting for parties that will take care of their interests instead, so vote bank politics has backfired on the ones who relied on it.

Here's a good example of said vote bank politics.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1065151336214278144

So all you see is an attempt to change the status quo. But it's being painted as radicalism in India because it serves the interests of the losing parties. The central govt has done nothing that shows any upward movement in radicalism, they are doing what they have continued doing for decades now. Rather the RSS says the BJP has become less less right-leaning than they should be since Modi came to power.

Also, there has been no radicalisation of the Hindu society either. As I said, it's only Hindus being more assertive and looking out for their interests. The sporadic episodes of small scale violence you see are merely political parties acting up and sending in their goons to do the dirty job, like the gau rakshak violence.

There are two ideologies in India.

One believes that India belongs to Indians.

The other believes that India belongs to Hindus.

There are a billion Hindus in India.

The war within is for which ideology will find major traction with these one billion Hindus.

Non Hindu Indians are a sideshow. Guests in their own country.

Cheers, Doc

 

[randomradio]

There are two ideologies in India.

One believes that India belongs to Indians.

The other believes that India belongs to Hindus.

There are a billion Hindus in India.

The war within is for which ideology will find major traction with these one billion Hindus.

Non Hindu Indians are a sideshow. Guests in their own country.

Cheers, Doc

The Hindutva ideology is not restricted to just Hindus, but all India-originated religions, including Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs.

But this is purely politics, the society at large is unaffected.

Legally, Hinduism is not considered a religion, and Hindutva is not considered radical.

This is what the Supreme Court has to say about Hinduism and Hindutva.
Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism ... it is a fallacy and an error of law to proceed on the assumption ... that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practising any religion other than the Hindu religion ... It may well be that these words are used in a speech to promote secularism or to emphasise the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticise the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant."

 

[Nilgiri]

The Hindutva ideology is not restricted to just Hindus, but all India-originated religions, including Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs.

But this is purely politics, the society at large is unaffected.

Legally, Hinduism is not considered a religion, and Hindutva is not considered radical.

This is what the Supreme Court has to say about Hinduism and Hindutva.
Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism ... it is a fallacy and an error of law to proceed on the assumption ... that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practising any religion other than the Hindu religion ... It may well be that these words are used in a speech to promote secularism or to emphasise the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticise the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant."

The psychology of this particular Parsi is that because Shiv Sena (whom he adores and supports) is now clearly a spent force and got nowhere esp after death of their Bal...the whole country is suddenly becoming more radicalised because of that rejection of ethnolingual-based stronking. Its either Shiv Sena way or no other way for him.....and he says others are radical

His tears next year will be especially delicious to behold.

 

[padamchen]

The Hindutva ideology is not restricted to just Hindus, but all India-originated religions, including Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs.

But this is purely politics, the society at large is unaffected.

Legally, Hinduism is not considered a religion, and Hindutva is not considered radical.

This is what the Supreme Court has to say about Hinduism and Hindutva.
Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism ... it is a fallacy and an error of law to proceed on the assumption ... that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practising any religion other than the Hindu religion ... It may well be that these words are used in a speech to promote secularism or to emphasise the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticise the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant."

No sir. Hindutva is ONLY Hindu. The umbrella comes out only when the ballot boxes do. But after this term, no Indian has any illusions on that score anymore.

It's early days yet in the radicalisation curve. There are still non Hindus in significant numbers to marginalize, peripheralize, torment, school, and kill.

The Hindu on Hindu pogrom along ancient cleave lines of race and caste is the true Tsunami that is just off the shore.

For now.

Coming to the "being assertive" bit. History is witness that whenever and wherever the majority has developed a victimisation complex, the genocide of minorities has followed.

Legal definitions from the 90s mean nothing here in 2018.

Hindutva remains now what it was during the nation burning in the 90s. And what it was conceived at in its seeding and genesis by sociopathic fathers. A fascist supremacist ideology that is wholly Abrahamic in tone and tenor and completely alien to this soil.

Your typical Sanghi dodge of conflating Hindutva (which the SC opined on) and Hinduism, which is our sister faith, is fooling no one in the country.

Expat Madrasi sanghis do not count. Except for teams of western bullshit on Indian matters. As relevant as the brown stuff in the bowl below which I'm about to flush away.

Only smellier. And blacker.

Cheers, Doc