Pakistani Muslims are Naive

[Yankee-stani]

Growing up I heard that all Muslims are "brothers" and ummah I seen mostly Pakistanis hark on it sure once in a while I would hear a Afghan, Turk,Arab or any non Pakistani Muslim.Turks,Arabs, and Persians pratically hate each other you see it everyday here and in their politics before we blame the Yanks, or west yes they are guilty but we gotta understand one thing they have differences in mindset,culture and way of how their countries project power I am not saying Muslims are not brothers or ummah does not exist but we have to be more realistic in that

 

[dani92]

Exactly and one thing these naive people intend to support the Muslims Palestine, Kashmir and balkans but when an ally country treat its Muslims Badly like China they try to be neutral. They can’t mix the umma with a nation state they have to choose. Those Pakistanis who were attacking Arabs for not saying anything about the Muslim suffering they themselves are quite what China and its treatment of Muslims.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Growing up I heard that all Muslims are "brothers" and ummah I seen mostly Pakistanis hark on it sure once in a while I would hear a Afghan, Turk,Arab or any non Pakistani Muslim.Turks,Arabs, and Persians pratically hate each other you see it everyday here and in their politics before we blame the Yanks, or west yes they are guilty but we gotta understand one thing they have differences in mindset,culture and way of how their countries project power I am not saying Muslims are not brothers or ummah does not exist but we have to be more realistic in that

It depends upon your interest in international politics. For example me and some of my friends are interested in international affairs so we don't believe in this ummah logic. But those who aren't interested in politics will simply believe what is shown on tv channels.

And IMO ummah logic is inspired by EU.

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistanis geopolitically are needy and incapable of looking after their finances and house.

They use this brother,ummah thing as a way to build bridges with others but just comes across as try hard childish approach.

I remember back in 2000s I was like why are these Pakistanis protesting for Palestinians when nobody even remembers Kashmir and just laugh about it and say "bollywood" or whatever. I refused to support any palestinian cause until there was reciprocation. Even Bob down the road feels for Kashmir and understands their pain, I will back Bob, I got his back.

Pakistan must rise but to rise it must respect her civilization and history.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Exactly and one thing these naive people intend to support the Muslims Palestine, Kashmir and balkans but when an ally country treat its Muslims Badly like China they try to be neutral. They can’t mix the umma with a nation state they have to choose. Those Pakistanis who were attacking Arabs for not saying anything about the Muslim suffering they themselves are quite what China and its treatment of Muslims.

The Yanks are basically bringing the "Muslim Card" like they did with the Soviets in the late 70s and early 80s tho the Soviet prop up Govts in Afghanistan was bad it had to be countered, decades later it was mistake it lead to millions of Afghan refugees and more suffering for the Afghans later American invasion same with Balkans in the 90s when they wanted to break up Yugoslavia they used the Bosniaks first and Albanians later on again tricked by the Yanks more suffering now the Yanks want to go against China this time using the Uyghurs you think it would work this time yeah some retards will buy and muck up the same bs cocked up by Washington in the last 4 decades but I dont see govts like Pakistan and in the Muslim world buying it as they been burned hard by the Yanks

It depends upon your interest in international politics. For example me and some of my friends are interested in international affairs so we don't believe in this ummah logic. But those who aren't interested in politics will simply believe what is shown on tv channels.

And IMO ummah logic is inspired by EU.

and the EU is stagnating bloc of Western Europeans baling out there poorer Eastern cousins

 

[Longhorn]

Can't wait for the Mullah brigade to jump onto this thread.

 

[Menace2Society]

Can't wait for the Mullah brigade to jump onto this thread.

Ideologically in 2 camps. Hypocritical shape shifters when it suits them. If it comes down to the destruction of Pakistan or lets say Saudi, they will pick Pakistan. Traitor snakes.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

And by the way KSA and UAE do help us like the recent bailout.

 

[313ghazi]

People aren't naive, they're forward thinking. They realise that being small vassal states of world powers won't bring any dignity or security.

Of course you boys who don't like what they have to say automatically equate that with meaning they want to be vassal states of Saudi/Iran or whoever.

Having a principled stance isn't weakness, not everything in life has to be a trade. Of course in our current political status across the world we have to look after number one, but there is no harm in wanting to work towards a political existence were countries with shared interests work together, including countries with shared religious backgrounds.

 

[Ritual]

People aren't naive, they're forward thinking. They realise that being small vassal states of world powers won't bring any dignity or security.

Of course you boys who don't like what they have to say automatically equate that with meaning they want to be vassal states of Saudi/Iran or whoever.

Having a principled stance isn't weakness, not everything in life has to be a trade. Of course in our current political status across the world we have to look after number one, but there is no harm in wanting to work towards a political existence were countries with shared interests work together, including countries with shared religious backgrounds.

But none of these people with shared religious backgrounds care like you or other Pakistanis do, they are ultra nationalists like Iran. And even 2nd tier Muslim countries like Egypt, Jordan etc couldn’t care less about ummah brotherhood, they don’t know about Kashmir. Maybe in the post-war era it was different but we are moving to a much more nation state & selfish World.

The only people we have links with in that respect are South Asian Muslims, Bangladesh did protest for Kashmir. That relationship needs to be built on, I think even Indian Muslims could be coming round

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

But none of these people with shared religious backgrounds care like you or other Pakistanis do, they are ultra nationalists like Iran. And even 2nd tier Muslim countries like Egypt, Jordan etc couldn’t care less about ummah brotherhood, they don’t know about Kashmir. Maybe in the post-war era it was different but we are moving to a much more nation state & selfish World.

The only people we have links with in that respect are South Asian Muslims, Bangladesh did protest for Kashmir. That relationship needs to be built on, I think even Indian Muslims could be coming round

Indian muslims ? they are more "proud to be indian" than non muslim indians . Do not event think about trusting bengalis they will change in a nanosecond that u wont even know. Trust yourself only bro

 

[H. Dawary]

Well my brother, its a question of faith. If Muslims truly had faith in the Ummah then it would work out, but when you constantly see duplicity amongst leaders and nations then its obvious Muslims would start losing faith, even in the religion itself because of the behaviour of others.

Its like Machiavelli said "It may be observed, that provinces amid the vicissitudes to which they are subject, pass from order into confusion, and afterward recur to a state of order again; for the nature of mundane affairs not allowing them to continue in an even course, when they have arrived at their greatest perfection, they soon begin to decline. In the same manner, having been reduced by disorder, and sunk to their utmost state of depression, unable to descend lower, they, of necessity, reascend; and thus from good they gradually decline to evil, and from evil again return to good. The reason is, that valor produces peace; peace, repose; repose, disorder; disorder, ruin; so from disorder order springs; from order virtue, and from this, glory and good fortune."

The same could be said about Islam, once Muslims have reached their lowest point only then will we demand an Ummah, but until then we have to deal with this nonsense.

 

[Rusty]

I used to be an Ummah guy until like 5 years ago.
I was a bleeding heart supporter of Afghans as our brothers.
Then I started reading and watching Afghani youtube videos.....
Those guys have sided with India almost every time and have hated Pakistan since the beginning.

There is no Ummah there, they are selfish people who turned their own country into a s**thole and want to do the same to Pakistan.

 

[Ritual]

Indian muslims ? they are more "proud to be indian" than non muslim indians . Do not event think about trusting bengalis they will change in a nanosecond that u wont even know. Trust yourself only bro

Bangladesh organised protests against Indian atrocities in Kashmir, Indian Muslims are starting to realise that they are mercy of Indian Hindutva agenda and are accepting the two-nation theory now. It is a slow process, but while we shouldn’t blindly follow ummah rhetoric, we still need to work together against Indian hegemony

 

[Kaniska]

But none of these people with shared religious backgrounds care like you or other Pakistanis do, they are ultra nationalists like Iran. And even 2nd tier Muslim countries like Egypt, Jordan etc couldn’t care less about ummah brotherhood, they don’t know about Kashmir. Maybe in the post-war era it was different but we are moving to a much more nation state & selfish World.

The only people we have links with in that respect are South Asian Muslims, Bangladesh did protest for Kashmir. That relationship needs to be built on, I think even Indian Muslims could be coming round

Because Religion is quite broad category to define any nation where as nationalism is specific to a country...It is nothing unusual where nations tend to find unique identity to present themselves...And in specific, Islamic countries who have rich cultural heritage of their own will incline towards identifying by their own heritage than religion...
Now I beleive, @Indus Pakistan explained this concept in one of his post earlier...Now it is definitely an question to Pakistan why Pakistan is trying define itself by a very broad unique identity of religion than feeling pride of its heritage of inheritor of Indus Valley Civilization...

Indian muslims ? they are more "proud to be indian" than non muslim indians . Do not event think about trusting bengalis they will change in a nanosecond that u wont even know. Trust yourself only bro

Because Indian Muslim feel empowered and pride in defining them as an Indian people....They may have difference in opinion in certain aspect of our internal problem but that will not make them anything less than other Indian