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WASHINGTON: Pakistan turned down the request of US Special Representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Marc Grossman, to travel to Islamabad during his current trip to the region that started this week, The Washington Post reported.

As Pakistan continues to block Nato supply routes to Afghanistan after the deadly Nato attacks of last year and no change is visible in its policies with regards its links with extremist groups, America’s patience with Pakistan is growing thinner, US officials said.

What has been annoying the Obama administration is the fact that Pakistan is increasingly standing upfront against the US and is saying “no” more often than ever to any American requests with regards the war against terrorism. A case in the point: Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar bluntly told US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that any unauthorised flight into Pakistan’s air space risked being shot down, the paper said. Not only this, Pakistan turned down the request of US Special Representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Marc Grossman, to travel to Islamabad during his current trip to the region that started this week, the daily said.

“In the United States, Obama is under political pressure to show Islamabad who is the global boss. Patience here has grown paper-thin with what is seen as Pakistani double-dealing and intransigence that is getting in the way of efforts to wind down the Afghan war,” the Post reported in an analysis based on conversation and interviews with unnamed officials from both the US and Pakistan.

“Pakistan also has snubbed US efforts to boost the Afghan economy with a gas pipeline that would run from Tajikistan through Afghanistan to Pakistani ports. Instead, it has reiterated its plans to proceed with an alternative pipeline from Iran,” the daily said.

The Obama administration has decided not to go public yet and will wait till the Pakistani parliament completes its review of US-Pak ties. “We have views on where we would like to see this go,” a US official was quoted as saying.

But it will “take another week or two for their internal process to come to some kind of formal communication that would be communicated back to us,” the official added.

A senior Pakistani government official told The Post that the committee’s recommendations will probably include a demand for explicit US assurances that there will be no violation of sovereignty, no American boots on the ground, no more unilateral raids, no manned air strikes.

The official said there is likely to be some arrangement on drone attacks, with Pakistan calling for large reductions in their number and geographic scope, and demanding prior notification and approval of every strike.

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Pakistan turns down Grossman
 
Islamabad bars Grossman to visit Pakistan


US State Department said on Tuesday that Pakistan had refuses to allow Grossman to visit Pakistan.


According to the US State Department spokesperson, Islamabad had refused to welcome US special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Marc Grossman.

The Washington Post reported earlier Tuesday that Pakistan had turned down a US request for Ambassador Grossman to visit Islamabad during his current trip to the region that started this week. Mr Grossman is consulting US allies in the greater Middle East region on a move to involve the Taliban in the Afghan reconciliation process.

The development indicates further deterioration in a relationship which has continued to decline at a regular pace since the May 2 US raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad. The decline became rapid after the November 26 NATO raid on a Pakistani military post that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Dunya News: Pakistan:-Islamabad bars Grossman to visit Pakistan...

The Irony of Pakistan now Turning down US visits, It seems we are moving in the right direction.
 
What the hell. I don't buy this BS. This is all for public consumption nothing more nothing less. The Government actually wants us to believe that it has developed spine to stand up to the US of A, i certainly don't think so and neither should any sane Pakistani believe in this nonsense.
 
What the hell. I don't buy this BS. This is all for public consumption nothing more nothing less. The Government actually wants us to believe that it has developed spine to stand up to the US of A, i certainly don't think so and neither should any sane Pakistani believe in this nonsense.

If it were any other time i would have totally agreed with you, but currently Gov has to worry about saving themselves after been involved in so many scandals , Namely memogate , NRO , NICL etc, right now they cannot afford to concentrate on anyone else .
 
If it were any other time i would have totally agreed with you, but currently Gov has to worry about saving themselves after been involved in so many scandals , Namely memogate , NRO , NICL etc, right now they cannot afford to concentrate on anyone else .

Exactly My point. They are so much occupied in the home grown mess that they cannot afford 1 more which might turn out be the final nail in their coffin and hence this supposedly spine showing to the US. So would i call it nothing more then a hogwash and what you say in urdu ankhoon main dhool jhonkna.
 
Why don't the americans tell what exactly they intend to do after their patience with Pakistan runs out? As far as I understand, the patience ran out long time ago and on numerous occasions, so it's not a problem for Pakistan. What options do the americans have other than saying that the relationship is too important to be cut? If the american forces of any type try to move in, the Chinese troops are going to move in from the other direction to counter that and of course, the americans don't want that to happen. So, in the end, I believe that Pakistan will remain safe from any kind of misadventure from the american side.
 
Why don't the americans tell what exactly they intend to do after their patience with Pakistan runs out? As far as I understand, the patience ran out long time ago and on numerous occasions, so it's not a problem for Pakistan. What options do the americans have other than saying that the relationship is too important to be cut? If the american forces of any type try to move in, the Chinese troops are going to move in from the other direction to counter that and of course, the americans don't want that to happen. So, in the end, I believe that Pakistan will remain safe from any kind of misadventure from the american side.

The highlighted part, i dont think Chinese are going to move in from any direction at all. They are going to support Pakistan alright but in the it will be us alone. There is a limit to which China would go far to help an ally but to expect that are actually going to move in is to far fetched.
 
The highlighted part, i dont think Chinese are going to move in from any direction at all. They are going to support Pakistan alright but in the it will be us alone. There is a limit to which China would go far to help an ally but to expect that are actually going to move in is to far fetched.

If the americans move in, your government is going to invite the Chinese troops with open arms, take my word for it and that is exactly what has prevented the americans from moving in.
 
If the americans move in, your government is going to invite the Chinese troops with open arms, take my word for it and that is exactly what has prevented the americans from moving in.

As far world know it was bharat which has offered and persuaded US and some other countries to attack Pakistan with support of their army.

I think present war on Pakistan was a well negotiated put come of US & bharti offer.
 
As far world know it was bharat which has offered and persuaded US and some other countries to attack Pakistan with support of their army.

I think present war on Pakistan was a well negotiated put come of US & bharti offer.

i imagine you were present for the secret ISI briefing in which you got these pearls of wisdom? :argh:
 
If the americans move in, your government is going to invite the Chinese troops with open arms, take my word for it and that is exactly what has prevented the americans from moving in.

Inviting someone with open arms is one thing but will the Chinese accept and come, is highly unlikely because of many reasons but most importantly China at this moment cannot risk a conflict that may effect its own development. Let me also add that Pakistan army is fully capable of deterring any aggression, the question remains how far is the leadership both civil and military willing to go. We are no push overs.
 
Snubbed by Pakistan, US envoy goes to India
By AFP
Published: January 19, 2012
WASHINGTON: A US envoy on a mission to discuss post-war Afghanistan will head on a previously unscheduled trip to New Delhi after India’s rival Pakistan refused his visit, officials said Wednesday.
US officials said Pakistan informed them that it did not want to receive special envoy Marc Grossman until Islamabad completes an ongoing review of relations with Washington, which have sunk to rock-bottom in recent months.
The State Department said Grossman would head Friday to India, whose support for Afghanistan and President Hamid Karzai is deeply resented by many Pakistanis who accuse New Delhi of trying to use the issue against Islamabad.
State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that the United States was not trying to send any message to Pakistan through Grossman’s trip to India and reiterated that he would have liked to visit.
“We made clear that we would welcome a stop by Ambassador Grossman in Islamabad on this trip,” she told reporters.
“The Pakistanis are looking hard internally at our relationship. They asked us to give them time to do that, so he will not be going there on this trip,” she said.
Nuland said that the United States welcomed efforts by India, which has given more than $2 billion in aid to Afghanistan and plans to take a larger role training Afghan troops and security forces.
“We believe that India has a role to play in supporting a democratic, prosperous future for Afghanistan,” she said.
Pakistan has launched a review of its relations with Washington amid a drastic deterioration of ties, particularly after US forces killed Osama bin Laden during a unilateral raid in the garrison town of Abbottabad last year.
Islamabad has demanded an apology and curbed cooperation after a Nato air strike near the Afghan border on November 26 killed 24 Pakistani troops. President Barack Obama has voiced regret but stopped short of a full apology.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last week that Grossman would seek to advance reconciliation in Afghanistan and talk to President Karzai about a resumption of preliminary talks with the Taliban.
The United States wants to withdraw most forces from Afghanistan in 2014, ending more than a decade of war. But many US officials have deep concerns about the role of Pakistan, believing its intelligence services maintain ties with Islamic extremists inside Afghanistan.
After New Delhi, Grossman heads to Afghanistan on Saturday for talks with Karzai. He is also visiting Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates on his nearly two-week trip.
 

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