What Pakistan gains even if Pak-Russia relations are good?#FakeNewj
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This propaganda article is written to damage the relations between Russia and Pakistan.
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What Pakistan gains even if Pak-Russia relations are good?#FakeNewj
I don`t trust an Indian newspaper making claims about Pakistan.
This propaganda article is written to damage the relations between Russia and Pakistan.
At the very least, Pakistan would have one less powerful enemy.What Pakistan gains even if Pak-Russia relations are good?
explain please.At the very least, Pakistan would have one less powerful enemy.
No Sir.explain please.
by Good relations you mean being party in conflict?
Not really.unlike Ukraine (who has supplied huge amount of weapons to Pakistan) Pakistan has almost never gotten any significant weapon directly from Russia. Even the JF-17 engines Pakistan got is from China not Russia directly(apart from Mi-35 attack helicopters whoch they got just recently if i remember correctly). So bith countries dont have much relations together(due to Russias strong ties with India) . Even for JF-17 engines, if it wasn't for China, i dont think Russia would have gone through and sign a deal directly with Pakistan to provide engines for their fighters due to India's objections on such for such a critical role it will play for Pakistan military capabilities.Some Pakistani I think is worried on Russia possible retaliation and make it difficult for Pakistan to get spare part of their JF-17 engine
JF 17 is rather very important asset for both Pakistan Air Force and Pakistan Aerospace Industry.
Does this ammunition selling is worth possible Pakistan grounded whole of their JF 17 and stop their future production of JF17 ?
Being neutral should be chosen by Pakistan. Dont send any weapons to both side
That is what I was going to say.before jumping guns please note its indian media news source which is worthless as used toilet paper
Even the Russian war reporting and analysis channel Rybar has refuted this marking it as indian propaganda and here we are fighting eachother
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I don't think Russia is in a strong position to alienate Pakistan or anyone else. The Turks still send weapons to Ukraine and Moscow still has good relations with Ankara. Japan joined sanctions and still imports gas from the Sakhalin project in Russia.You could've gotten cheap oil given the current financial turmoil. Ukrainians have diplomatic and economic relations with us too. And we have good relations with Russia too.
My point being does this benefit Pakistan in any way apart from irking Russia. This transfer is due to western pressure most probably.
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Russia sells weapons to India. And Pakistan does sell weapons to Ukraine.#FakeNewj
I don`t trust an Indian newspaper making claims about Pakistan.
This propaganda article is written to damage the relations between Russia and Pakistan.
Yes, always blame ourselves as if the Russians have gone above and beyond to help Pakistan.Right! and when someone tries to get something, regime change happens. Let's not pass such generalized statements when most of the blame lies upon us.
Please! Do not reinvent history to suit your particular flavor. Did we not decide to allow US spy flights over USSR from Peshawar? This was long before they started supporting India. We decided to ignore USSR and become part of US treaties and became part of the Cold war while India chose to remain neutral. What did you expect USSR to do? They replied in the same coin during the Bangladesh war openly supporting the Indians. Then we started supporting a holy war at the behest of the US and allowed the Taliban and every other religious group to use our soil and turned our society into a fanatic nut job of which we are still suffering the effects and all of this to what end? few dollars and legitimacy to a dictator?Yes, always blame ourselves as if the Russians have gone above and beyond to help Pakistan.
At every single turn, Russians have rebuffed Pakistan. Beyond setting up the Pakistan Steel Mills in the 70s in Karachi and selling 3 Mi-8 Helicopters to Pakistan, Russia has not budged an inch in their support for India nor have they ever supported Pakistan in any meaningful way.
Your constant claims of "regime change" don't change the fact that IK was not going to spring any surprises for Pakistan with Russia.
So this new-found love for Russia needs to be put in the bucket that it deserves, which is "inconsequential" for Pakistan. China, US, EU, Turkey are far more important for Pakistan and they remain our focus.
Also, before all the credit is taken up by PTI for this "outreach to Russia", this has been tried multiple times since the end of Soviet-Afghan war including in NS and BB's tenures. Each time, Russians told Pakistan "you are not important enough for us". So who are we kidding with this sudden, new-found love for Russia just because IK wanted to flip the birdie towards the Americans to please his domestic base? Khan sahib was suggesting we derail our two largest trade partners EU/US to please the Russians on the eve of Russian invasion of Ukraine. I cannot fault IK for the timing of his visit, but the overall disconnect with our largest trading partners in his tenure was a major reason for the reset.
You want to go back in time and find someone to blame then start with Quaid-e-Azam and LAK for the alignment with the US. There were plenty of reasons for them to pick the West over the Soviets.Please! Do not reinvent history to suit your particular flavor. Did we not decide to allow US spy flights over USSR from Peshawar? This was long before they started supporting India. We decided to ignore USSR and become part of US treaties and became part of the Cold war while India chose to remain neutral. What did you expect USSR to do? They replied in the same coin during the Bangladesh war openly supporting the Indians. Then we started supporting a holy war at the behest of the US and allowed the Taliban and every other religious group to use our soil and turned our society into a fanatic nut job of which we are still suffering the effects and all of this to what end? few dollars and legitimacy to a dictator?
So spare me the usual. As for the regime change, it is a reality and your army openly defied its constitutional duty and orders and not the first time in Pakistan's short history. In any other country people like Bajwa would have been behind bars, only in Pakistan he is enjoying perks like many before him despite committing treasons.
As for IK what would he have achieved is debatable since he was never allowed to complete his tenure so you cannot say he wasn't bringing any miracles, perhaps, perhaps not.
Pakistan gets nothing from Russia. Ukrainians have worked well with Pakistan.