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Pakistan’s absence in Bonn conference won’t make a difference: Kabul


If USA and Germany are sincere in their efforts to bring Pakistan to the table, why would USA forces retaliate in such a way that killed PA soldiers that too close to the long awaited Bonn conference? Any takers please answer my question. Pakistan rulers have to learn to live with in their borders on both east and west.
 
Then why was Hllary Clinton and Merkel begging Pakistan to come to the conference?

Look at what an Al Jazeera article has to say about Pakistan not attending the Bonn Conference:Afghan conference beset by boycotts

Absence of Taliban and Pakistan in Bonn dash reconciliation efforts, as international delegates pledge more support.

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Central & South Asia

Afghan conference beset by boycotts

Absence of Taliban and Pakistan in Bonn dash reconciliation efforts, as international delegates pledge more support.Last Modified: 05 Dec 2011 19:01
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An international conference tasked with seeking a way forward for Afghanistan after the withdrawal of NATO combat troops in 2014 is under way in the German city of Bonn, but the absence of the Taliban and Pakistan from proceedings has dampened hopes of success.

"The goal of this conference will be to lay the groundwork for a free, secure and prosperous Afghanistan," Guido Westerwelle, Germany's foreign minister, told delegates gathered on Monday.

National reconciliation, along with the transition to Afghan sovereignty and international engagement after 2014, had originally topped the conference's agenda which brings together around 1,000 national delegations and aid organisations, representing about 100 countries. The delegates include 60 foreign ministers.

Without the participation of Pakistan or the Taliban, however, those goals appeared unlikely to be achieved.
Rage over an air strike late last month by NATO troops stationed in Afghanistan that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers led Islamabad to snub the gathering.

Leaders of the Taliban, who have waged a decade-long fight against Afghan and international forces since they were toppled from power in 2001, said the meeting would "further ensnare Afghanistan into the flames of occupation".

"To make our success certain and our progress irreversible we will need your steadfast support for at least another decade"

- Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's president



Al Jazeera's James Bays, reporting from Bonn, said that because Pakistan was missing from the international conference, delegates "can't make some of the progress that some had hope for here".
"In recent years, Western nations have had a twin strategy. One of the parts of that strategy is to hand over slowly security - province by province, district by district - to the Afghan security forces.

"The second pillar of the Western plan was to try and get some peace talks going. Try and get some national reconciliation. Try and get members of the Taliban to join the government side. And that part of the plan just isn't working. There have been initial talks, but they haven't managed to get the Taliban around the table.

"Most observers believe Pakistan is key in all of this, and that you aren't going to get any progress on that part of the plan if Pakistan is not even attending a conference like this."

Simon Gass, the NATO representative to Kabul, told Al Jazeera that while there was disappointment that Pakistan did not attend the conference, it is "too early yet to say that this will disrupt any of the [military and development] planning we may have".

He said that he hoped that after inquiry into the cross-border incident is complete and talks held that relations between Pakistan and NATO can be reset.

"No country has a greater interest in ensuring that Afghanistan has a stable and prosperous future than its neighbour, Pakistan does," he said.

Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, told delegates that her country was committed to investigating the November 26 cross-border strike.

Speaking to the Associated Press, Yousuf Raza Gilani, the Pakistani prime minister, said that his country remained committed to working with Afghanistan to arrange a negotiated solution to the conflict.

"I think we have evolved some mechanisms, and we are ready to cooperate," he said, referring to meetings with Afghanistan's military and intelligence chiefs on a framework for talks. "We are committed [to reconciliation], despite that we are not attending [the Bonn conference],'' he said.

At the conference, Karzai pledged to work with Pakistan, despite its boycott of the conference. He renewed his calls for Pakistan to act against sanctuaries that members of the Taliban are said to have in its tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan.

Continued support

"The United States is prepared to stand with the Afghan people for the long haul," Clinton told delegates.


Afghans have expressed scepticism that the conference in Bonn will achieve its goals

The international community has "much to lose if the country again becomes a source of terrorism and instability," she added.

She said that the Afghan government would have to take "difficult decisions to embrace reform, lead in their own defence and strengthen an inclusive democracy rooted in the rule of law" in return for the continued support of the international community, however.

A previous conference in Bonn in December 2001 established an interim government for Afghanistan led by Hamid Karzai following a US-led invasion to remove the Taliban, who had provided a safe haven to al-Qaeda fighters.

Westerwelle noted there had been "setbacks" in the decade of NATO-led operations, adding that the world had learned there would be no "military solution" in Afghanistan."

Not all our objectives and expectations have been realistic. And yet, we have achieved a lot," he said. "Most Afghans now enjoy more freedom, peace and security than at any time in the past 30 years."

He said that to ensure the transition to Afghan sovereignty in 2014 was "irreversible", Kabul "must focus on strengthening public administration, reinforcing the rule of law and fighting corruption".

Westerwelle said the conference would also send the message that political support for Afghan reconciliation must be maintained.

"Despite severe setbacks, reconciliation is the path to durable and inclusive peace," he said.

Iran, Afghanistan's neighbour to the west, has expressed its willingness to support the country and welcomed the departure of international forces by 2014.

"Certain Western countries seek to extend their military presence in Afghanistan beyond 2014 by maintaining their military bases there. We deem such an approach to be contradictory to efforts to sustain stability and security in Afghanistan," Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's foreign minister, said.

Meanwhile, the US is taking advantage of the conference to bolster long-term financial assistance for Afghan security.

Without foreign help, Afghanistan won't be able to pay for basic services needed by its security forces which are slated to increase to 352,000 personnel by the end of 2014. Clinton announced the unfreezing of hundreds of millions of dollars in development funds to Afghanistan at the conference.

In a communique issued after the meeting, Afghanistan pledged to step up efforts against corruption in return for greater international financial support.


Lethal cross-border NATO strikes have sparked a fresh crisis in Pakistan-US relations [AFP]

"Afghan government institutions at all levels should increase their responsiveness to the civil and economic needs of the Afghan people and deliver key services to them," Afghanistan and its international partners said in the communique.

"In this context, the protection of civilians, strengthening the rule of law and the fight against corruption in all its forms remain key priorities."

Masood Ahmed, the International Monetary Fund's director for the Middle East and Central Asia, reiterated that message on the sidelines of the conference.

"Even under optimistic scenarios, for the next decade Afghanistan will need an extraordinary degree of donor support
to meet its financing needs for both security and development," Ahmed said. "As the fiscal situation in many of the partner countries of Afghanistan becomes more difficult, it will become all the more important to be able to demonstrate that the money is being allocated in a way that achieves its intended objectives."

Karzai welcomed both political and financial assistance, saying that Afghanistan would, in fact, require international support for at least 10 more years.

"To make our success certain and our progress irreversible we will need your steadfast support for at least another decade," he said.

Violence continues

Even as delegates met in Bonn, however, violence continued in Afghanistan. A roadside bomb exploded next to a minbus full of civilians in the southern part of the country on Monday, killed at least five people.

One woman and four children were killed, while another six passengers were wounded, said Fareed Ayal, a spokesman for the Uruzgan provincial police.

The vehicle had left the main market area in Chor district when it struck the buried explosives.

In a recent report, the UN said that 1,462 Afghan civilians have been killed in crossfire between Afghan fighters and NATO forces in the first half of this year alone - a number that is up 15 per cent from the year before.


Source: Al Jazeera and agencies


Afghan conference beset by boycotts - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
 
If Pakistan wasn't important for Bonn then the world wouldn't have been asking Pakistan to attend it again and again..

Important.. Surely.. No 2 thoughts about it..

Indispensable.. Hmm.. Now thats an all together different ballgame ..
 
This same people also asked pakistan to do "More" .. what is your take on this ?

Let them say it. What difference does that makes. They have been asking do more, but they have not themselves done anything worth mentioning. 10 years of war and they still have 70% country land in Taliban hands. Karzai with support of NATO/US can't even protect Kabul.

They should do more, if they can use 350-400K troops in oil rich Iraq after invading it based on a lie, then they can atleast do justice with Afghanistan by sending the same number of troops from where the so called 9/11 attacks originated.

Isn't it ironical that US is sending double the troops in a country which it attacked based on a lie, but they commit less then half the size of troops in the country from where the so called 9/11attacks originated.

We have more number of troops in the Tribal belt, compared to what NATO/US has committed to whole of Afghanistan.Facts and figures speak, which may be Indians can't hear or see.


I do hope, you Indians can use your logic and sanity to see who needs to do more. I know it useless to argue with Indians when it comes to such issues, but nothing is impossible or may be it is.
 
India, US pledge to stay for long-haul in Afghanistan - The Times of India

BONN: The West used an Afghanistan meeting on Monday to signal enduring support for Kabul as allied troops go home, but economic downturn in Europe and crises with Pakistan and Iran could stir doubts about Western resolve.

The goal is to leave behind an Afghan government strong enough to escape the fate of its Soviet-era predecessor, which collapsed in 1992 in a civil war. The country's allies are preparing increasingly for a scenario in which there is no peace settlement with the Taliban before most foreign combat troops leave in 2014.

"The United States intends to stay the course with our friends in Afghanistan," US secretary of state Hillary Clinton told the conference. "We will be there with you as you make the hard decisions that are necessary for your future."

Hosts Germany sought to signal Western staying power as the gathering of dozens of foreign ministers opened in the German city of Bonn.

"We send a clear message to the people of Afghanistan: We will not leave you on your own. We will not leave you in the lurch," said German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle.

Ten years after a similar conference held to rebuild Afghanistan following the Sept. 11 attacks, Western countries are under pressure to spend money reviving flagging economies at home rather than propping up a government in Kabul widely criticised for being corrupt and ineffective.

Brewing confrontations pitting Washington against Pakistan and Iran, two of Afghanistan's most influential neighbours, have added to despondency over the outlook for the war.

Pakistan boycotted the meeting after Nato aircraft killed 24 of its soldiers on the border with Afghanistan in a Nov. 26 attack the alliance called a "tragic" accident.

Some in the West are still hoping Pakistan will use its influence to deliver the Afghan Taliban, whose leadership Washington says is based in Pakistan, to peace talks.

But foreign governments, while regretting Pakistan's absence, made clear they would press ahead in building up the Kabul government's ability to survive after 2014 even if Islamabad fails to bring insurgents into a political settlement.

"It may take a longer time to bring about our objectives but we should not be deterred at all by Taliban reluctance to come to the table," British Foreign Secretary William Hague told the BBC.

Embryonic contacts with the Taliban have so far yielded little, and with the government in Kabul unable to provide security and economic development, the risk is that the withdrawal of foreign troops will plunge Afghanistan back into civil war. Renewed strife might also stir more violence over the border in Pakistan, fighting its own Islamist insurgency.

Iran's growing confrontation with the West over its nuclear programme could also bleed into the war in Afghanistan.

Tehran said on Sunday it shot down a US spy drone in its airspace and threatened to respond. International forces in Kabul said the drone may have been one lost last week while flying over western Afghanistan.

Iran has been accused in the past of providing low-level backing to the Taliban insurgency, and diplomats and analysts have suggested Tehran could ratchet up this support if it wanted to put serious pressure on US forces in Afghanistan.

Foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi on Monday reiterated Iran's opposition to the United States keeping some forces in Afghanistan after 2014.

"Certain Western countries seek to extend their military presence in Afghanistan beyond 2014 by maintaining their military bases there. We deem such an approach to be contradictory to efforts to sustain stability and security in Afghanistan," he told the conference.

Foreign governments however were determined to try to dispel at least some of the pessimism seeping into the Afghan project.

Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna, whose country became the first to sign a strategic partnership agreement with Afghanistan - much to the irritation of Pakistan - pledged India would keep up its heavy investment in a country whose mineral wealth and trade routes made it "a land of opportunity".

In a rare positive development, Clinton said the United States would resume paying into a World Bank-administered trust fund for Afghanistan, a decision that US officials said would allow for the disbursement of roughly $650 million to $700 million in suspended US aid.

The United States and other big donors stopped paying into the Afghan Reconstruction Trust Fund in June, when the International Monetary Fund suspended its programme with Afghanistan because of concerns about Afghanistan's troubled Kabul Bank.

The conference is not expected to produce new aid pledges; instead, U.S. officials say they hope it will mark a start to a process outlining future support to be pledged by mid-2012.

The Taliban condemned the conference in a Nov. 30 statement which reiterated a call for foreign occupation of the country.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told the conference that reconciliation -- a term used to refer to talks among different Afghan groups as well as with insurgents -- remained an important part of efforts to stabilise Afghanistan.

"The political process will have great importance in future, this is the place where the questions of reconciliation and power sharing must be solved in a way that includes all parts and ethnic groups of the society," she said.

"We can help Afghanistan in this process, we can provide our experience, but we can't solve the problem, it is only the Afghans who can do this."

Britain's Hague reiterated that any settlement with insurgents would require them to renounce violence, sever ties with al-qaida and respect the Afghan constitution -- "end conditions" which some argue effectively close the door to talks by determining the outcome in advance.

Afghanistan has blamed Pakistan for hindering peace talks. Pakistan says it is being used as a scapegoat for the failure of the United States and its allies to bring Afghan stability.
 
Important.. Surely.. No 2 thoughts about it..

Indispensable.. Hmm.. Now thats an all together different ballgame ..

We are talking about Important, we never said Indispensable. Who said it by the way ??

And in my view, i don't even think we are that important. Ask NATO/US to get in additional 150-200K troops, commit as they did in Iraq, seal the border, get more troops down there, satellites & UAVs to monitor the border, counter the movement of militants and wallah Afghanistan would be stable and at peace.

And i would also suggest, to repatriate all the refugees, close the land route for any trade with Afghanistan, totally no activity, just allow movement of people between each other, since non-important we are, we don't need to have any relations with Afghanistan and since Karzai said we have no importance, i do hope he won't mind such actions from our side.
 
Important.. Surely.. No 2 thoughts about it..

Indispensable.. Hmm.. Now thats an all together different ballgame ..

Lol... I don't know how do you interpret Pakistanis, but that for sure never claimed. If that makes you feel happier then why not! Let it be an altogether new ballgame.. This side knows how things work.
 
We are talking about Important, we never said Indispensable. Who said it by the way ??

And in my view, i don't even think we are that important. Ask NATO/US to get in additional 150-200K troops, commit as they did in Iraq, seal the border, get more troops down there, satellites & UAVs to monitor the border, counter the movement of militants and wallah Afghanistan would be stable and at peace.

And i would also suggest, to repatriate all the refugees, close the land route for any trade with Afghanistan, totally no activity, just allow movement of people between each other, since non-important we are, we don't need to have any relations with Afghanistan and since Karzai said we have no importance, i do hope he won't mind such actions from our side.

Yup.. And thats between Pakistan and Afghanistan.. Unlike Pakistan, India does not claim to determine who Afghanistan can deal with and how..
 
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Lol... I don't know how do you interpret Pakistanis, but that for sure never claimed.

Am too lazy to quote all the posts from my Pakistani friends saying otherwise.... Go thru this thread and a bunch of others on Afgh peace process to get the drift
 

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