Pakistan Navy forces out an armed Indian Submarine from Pakistani waters.

[Khafee]

The unique thing about the Indian and Brazilian Type 209's is the placement of the snorkel. Unlike the newer 209's it's at the front of the mast.

Footage from PN:

INS Shishumar: A = Snorkel

Brazilian Tupi Class:

Now as one can see the PN footage and that of the IN's Type 209 bear an uncanny resemblance.

@Windjammer @Rashid Mahmood @HRK @Irfan Baloch @Oscar @Emmie @The Eagle @Sarge @User

 

[The SC]

I had some questions regarding this whole episode and after going through 45 pages of mind numbing trolling they were not answered so here i am requesting some senior and technically knowledged member to answer them.

1. Was the sub detected under water or only when it was surfaced?
2. Was the sub forced to surface by PN or did it have to surface due to some technical problem/ usual need.
3. Was the sub really at a place where PN could have destroyed it i.e was it actually trespassing?
4. Did PN have capability to destroy the sub.
5. If yes then did PN have the opportunity to destroy the sub.

I know that a sub detected is a sub destroyed, it is kind of like having a "missile lock on" in air force terms.

One answer to all your Questions.. the sub was detected and monitored for five days before it surfaced..

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Cold war sub veterans might want to disagree on your statement on "Sub warfare being non-existent post ww2".
Now coming back on topic:
Sub was chased out of pak waters,it was detected while it was submerged for the past 3 or 4 days,it was more of a cat and mouse chase,as the 209 hurried making full use of it's engine thrust was able to escape Pak water but was still in EEZ,but this heafty movement depleted the batteries,it had to surface to snorkel to start the engines and charge the batteries and was videotaped.Being able to find a sub in 1000sq km of an area isn't easy,the chinese Type-39 went through Indian waters undetected and docked at Karachi waters.You need to keep in mind,Paks new asw platform are coming before 2018,these old p-3c Orion are not very effective relative(when compared to) to p-8 etc.
Two facts you need to keep in mind while debating about Pak-Ind Naval Capabilities.
1.Pak submarine scored the only kill after ww2 sinking 1 frigate and damaging another (not a big feat ikr).
2.Taliban attacked a pakistan naval airbase,main target was the ASW platforms,those talis had pics of P-3Cs,recent parking positions,that airbase had other high value targets too but why only ASW aircrafts were targeted?Yeah no brainer.

Cold War was not Hot War.
Some people might still remember General Belgrano...
And dawn.com claims that PN informed them the submarine was not detected in Pak territorial waters.
Show some sources where PN claims it is within Pakistan territorial waters.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Obviously we will deny
What were you expecting ??

Most of our subs are under maintenance so it's not possible what Pak media is claiming

yea ? most or all?
thanks for this information. maybe one left before complete repairs and got caught

 

[SQ8]

@waz @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster @WAJsal
@Oscar @Jango
I have posted only one post in this thread.Neither I derailed nor trolled this thread ,And my reply was just on the basis of info I got from PDF .Nor I insult anyone .
But this think tank gave me a negative rating for nothing.
So I am done in this PDF .
Will you delete my profile ?
Or where should I apply for it ?
Not interested in continuing in here .

There is no application process. Just stop posting.
IMHO I also found your post needless and ranting on nuclear submarines akin to chest beating. Wherein the current state of the IN submarine force is pretty debatable and in this case the sub is known to be the 209. It made zero sense besides a fanboyish chest thump.

 

[politicalgambit]

They should have arrested n captured sailors and parade them on live tv... Only then the indians here would believe the story.

Well... heck even then the Indian media would create a bollywood type saas-bahu horror story portraying indian sailors as innocent bystanders pushed into Pakistan by storming weather conditions and being treated like evil bahu...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Cold war sub veterans might want to disagree on your statement on "Sub warfare being non-existent post ww2".
Now coming back on topic:
Sub was chased out of pak waters,it was detected while it was submerged for the past 3 or 4 days,it was more of a cat and mouse chase,as the 209 hurried making full use of it's engine thrust was able to escape Pak water but was still in EEZ,but this heafty movement depleted the batteries,it had to surface to snorkel to start the engines and charge the batteries and was videotaped.Being able to find a sub in 1000sq km of an area isn't easy,the chinese Type-39 went through Indian waters undetected and docked at Karachi waters.You need to keep in mind,Paks new asw platform are coming before 2018,these old p-3c Orion are not very effective relative(when compared to) to p-8 etc.
Two facts you need to keep in mind while debating about Pak-Ind Naval Capabilities.
1.Pak submarine scored the only kill after ww2 sinking 1 frigate and damaging another (not a big feat ikr).
2.Taliban attacked a pakistan naval airbase,main target was the ASW platforms,those talis had pics of P-3Cs,recent parking positions,that airbase had other high value targets too but why only ASW aircrafts were targeted?Yeah no brainer.

I am pretty sure, Paks are very much into ASW systems - algorithms, s/w and h/w wise for devil lies in the details. They must have also modified the specs so that they could find the niddle in the haystack. Being the biggest importer of weapons Indiamen sub must have been packed with the latest gadgets. This is the beauty of indigenous development...

 

[aziqbal]

Which PN aircraft picked up the Indian submarine ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Only 2 nuclear subs are operated by India as of today, first is the INS Chakra SSN which is part of the EASTERN Naval Command (Pakistan is covered by the Western Naval Command) oh and happens to be in refit right now, the other is INS Arihant SSBN which has only just been commisioned and would have ZERO need to sail so close to Pak shores considering the range of the SLBMs it carries are 1000s of KM. And again, INS Arihant it part of the ENC so would not be in that part of the IOR.

It's funny how quickly Pakistani claims fall apart at the slightest application of logic.


Clowns.

What about this post warrented a negative rating @WebMaster @waz? Everything I have stated are verifiable facts. I appreciate they are inconvenient for those wishing to live in a fantasy land but they are undeniable.

 

[GreenFalcon]

What about this post warrented a negative rating @WebMaster @waz? Everything I have stated are verifiable facts. I appreciate they are inconvenient for those wishing to live in a fantasy land but they are undeniable.

I didn't see any verifiable fact in that post of yours. You FEEL that the INS Arihant has zero need to sail.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

PN would not have fired the first shorts. Still there is NO DECLARATION OF WAR. PNS GHAZI had a contact with INS Vikrant as officially War was not Declared hence it was not shot at.

Next time blow it up.

Good job Navy!

Strange act in Peace time by Peace loving India.... Imagine the hue and cry if Pakistan acted like this..Why they did not blow it up if it was in Pakistan territorial water.

Better if we had destroyed this sub rather than pushed it towards Indian Waters.

Good work good work Marines... Pakistan Navy detected and halt Indian Submarine near Pakistan Coastal Borders and force it back to Indian waters....Good reading... thanks to India for letting us know about the preparedness. Clearly evident Pakistan Navy is on High-Alert. Radars are working perfect especially detection under water mechanism and systems of Pakistan Naval Command... hahhahaha

India is getting too damn desperate to foil CPEC, next time blow the submarine up, what the hell was Indian submarine doing in Pakistani seas not coming for some picnic.

How can Indian sub enters into Pakistani seas when they are alert?
As per my point of view Indian navy successfully breached the security of Pakistani navy and completed its mission.

what the hell, why it wasn't destroyed. we should have destroyed this submarine.ahhhhhh
golden chance missed by navy.

UH no it was detected and was sent back

If it was sunk the whole world would have blamed Pakistan for contaminating the sea with nuclear radiation.

Pictures of dead fish from radiation poisoning would have been all over the news and also imminent threat of a godzilla attack on Karachi.

Pakistan Navy on Friday successfully repelled an Indian submarine from entering the country’s territorial waters.

According to navy’s spokesperson, the fleet units of force chased the submarine until it left Pakistan’s territory. The spokesperson further said that repelling the submarine was a testament of the country’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities.

Pakistan was well capable of giving a fitting response to any sort of aggression [by India]. India, the spokesperson added, was deploying its submarines against Pakistan in its territory.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1235459...indian-submarine-entering-territorial-waters/

Lol lol lol
Footage has been released of it too
We could have blown it up easily

According to navy it was being tracked for the past 5 days and waited till it entered Pakistani waters and was escorted back to international waters.

Say hello to term called territorial waters.

Pakistan Navy on Friday successfully repelled an Indian submarine from entering the country’s territorial waters.

Next time blow it up.

Good job Navy!

Strange act in Peace time by Peace loving India.... Imagine the hue and cry if Pakistan acted like this..Why they did not blow it up if it was in Pakistan territorial water.

Better if we had destroyed this sub rather than pushed it towards Indian Waters.

Good work good work Marines... Pakistan Navy detected and halt Indian Submarine near Pakistan Coastal Borders and force it back to Indian waters....Good reading... thanks to India for letting us know about the preparedness. Clearly evident Pakistan Navy is on High-Alert. Radars are working perfect especially detection under water mechanism and systems of Pakistan Naval Command... hahhahaha

India is getting too damn desperate to foil CPEC, next time blow the submarine up, what the hell was Indian submarine doing in Pakistani seas not coming for some picnic.

How can Indian sub enters into Pakistani seas when they are alert?
As per my point of view Indian navy successfully breached the security of Pakistani navy and completed its mission.

what the hell, why it wasn't destroyed. we should have destroyed this submarine.ahhhhhh
golden chance missed by navy.

UH no it was detected and was sent back

If it was sunk the whole world would have blamed Pakistan for contaminating the sea with nuclear radiation.

Pictures of dead fish from radiation poisoning would have been all over the news and also imminent threat of a godzilla attack on Karachi.

Pakistan Navy on Friday successfully repelled an Indian submarine from entering the country’s territorial waters.

According to navy’s spokesperson, the fleet units of force chased the submarine until it left Pakistan’s territory. The spokesperson further said that repelling the submarine was a testament of the country’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities.

Pakistan was well capable of giving a fitting response to any sort of aggression [by India]. India, the spokesperson added, was deploying its submarines against Pakistan in its territory.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1235459...indian-submarine-entering-territorial-waters/

Lol lol lol
Footage has been released of it too
We could have blown it up easily

According to navy it was being tracked for the past 5 days and waited till it entered Pakistani waters and was escorted back to international waters.

Say hello to term called territorial waters.

Pakistan Navy on Friday successfully repelled an Indian submarine from entering the country’s territorial waters.

 

[Khafee]

What about this post warrented a negative rating @WebMaster @waz? Everything I have stated are verifiable facts. I appreciate they are inconvenient for those wishing to live in a fantasy land but they are undeniable.

Go to GHQ and cry there, and explain why your rants and insult got a rating.

 

[mrrehan]

View attachment 353238 Breaking news:
indian navy nuclear submarine was successfully detected in pakistani sea. the submarine was forced to move out of pakistani water. the submarine mission was to enter pakistani water and remain there undetected and spy on pakistani navy movement. the submarine had the capacity to remain deep in water for atleast 9 months. it proves pakistan anti submarine warfare capabilities.
Pakistan navy
It is considered as an anti gawader operation. trying to help terrorists enter gawader and sabotage cpec. recently retired pakistan navy commodore.

source ARY News

latest news is that india tried to do a surgical strike against gawader.

exclusive picture of indian submarine

Why not captured, why let it go?

 

[Khafee]

Why not captured, why let it go?

It was not in Pakistan's territorial waters (12NM), but in the EEZ, which is International waters.

Hi,

Soppsedly it was a german made 209---

High probability. Kindly see the following post:

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...-pakistani-waters.461722/page-50#post-8927899

 

[untitled]

Why not captured, why let it go?

Because it was not U571