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RazorMC

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These are interesting times. The very countries whom we considered as friends and whatnot turn out to be quite critical of Pakistan.
One of them blames Pakistan for something they themselves initiated.

Some passages from the original article:

While most of the secret American diplomatic cables obviously focus on American perceptions of Pakistan, some of the documents also reveal telling bits of information about how representatives of other friendly states, particularly other allies of the US government and Pakistan, view this country.

In another cable dated January 22, 2010, Jasmine Zernini, head of the French government’s interagency Afghanistan-Pakistan cell, told American officials that although General Kayani had “learned the lesson of Musharraf” and was staying behind the scenes, she felt he was (according to the cable) “manipulating the government and parliament, including to prevent change on Pakistan’s policy towards…FATA along the Afghan border, and also to stir up controversy regarding the Kerry-Lugar bill.”

Previously published cables have already revealed what opinion Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed and Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz held of President Zardari and Mr. Sharif.

Egyptian Defence Minister Mohamed Hussein Tantawi told US Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair that Egypt encountered the same suspicions from Pakistan as the US did. Pakistanis, he said, “don’t trust Egyptians either.” He went on to say that “while the Pakistanis were ‘difficult’… Egypt was still trying to ‘work with them.’”

... a senior Saudi intelligence official is quoted as telling a US official that “the SAG [Saudi Arabian government] viewed the Afghan Taliban as largely under the control of Pakistan” and that “the Afghan Taliban needed support to be able to become more independent of Pakistan.”

Gen Masudi also pointed out that the Saudi government was holding a number of Afghans in prison on charges of fundraising for the Taliban and speculated that “perhaps these prisoners could be used as bargaining chips in political talks.”

View the article here at Dawn.
 
Just for the record, are we still foolish enough to work with these guys and lay down our sovereignity for them and accept their notions?
 
Just for the record, are we still foolish enough to work with these guys and lay down our sovereignity for them and accept their notions?

While you are so ready to denounce your 'friendship' with those respective governments, why don't you look into the allegations made in those statements?

No one likes to lose an ally just for the heck of it. They have pointed out the reasons for harboring such mistrust against Pakistan.
 
Not denouncing friendship, merely questioning our relations.
Allegations by KSA: Sharif good, Zardari bad.
Allegations by AUH: Zardari good.

What's to look into these?

And France wasn't an ally or a friend. Don't know why media names it as such. So French comments don't matter.

As for Taliban, their ideology is not what we had prior to the 80s. Their thinking is influenced by the same country that denounces it today and claims that they are under Pakistani control.

Egypt only said that Pakistan neither trusts the US nor Egypt. Hard to imagine why Egypt commented about it though. They simply overestimated their importance to us or maybe some much needed point-scoring with the US.
 
Its pretty obvious that arabs were never friends of Pakistan nor will they ever be friends of Pakistan. I don't why some Pakistanis are in love with, they're the lowest of the low.
 
who cares what any country that doesnt share borders has to say.

Pakistan is in Asia. It's allies are going to be Asian countries near to it. Not countries thousands of miles away.

Trade with the countries far away will benefit them both though they're not allies in the sense they would trust each other (because their political interests and security issues are not the same).
 
who cares what any country that doesnt share borders has to say...

We are constantly begging other countries for aid. This is why they have a negative view about us. Instead of improving our system, the government continues to beg, print huge amounts of PKR so that the debt and its interest will paralyse our economy and keeps their eyes closed towards the plight of our own people.

If we ourselves do not like this government then why will others?

If we stop begging and stand on our feet, these same countries will be concerned about what we have to say about them.
 
Its pretty obvious that arabs were never friends of Pakistan nor will they ever be friends of Pakistan. I don't why some Pakistanis are in love with, they're the lowest of the low.

don't you think writing this here will not make a difference in reality ... people still believe and love ARABS... most of pakistani do ....
 
It's because most people cannot differentiate between Arab and the Hijaz. The latter is a core element of Islam while the former is not. Only the language of the Quran gives them importance in our distorted vision.
 

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