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Better Pakistan adopt new policy like both democratic party and military can rule the country one after other. First 5yrs democratic rule next term military then again democratic so on. I think its not a bad idea and it may satisfy power hunger at all levels.



The way most members here speak for the intentions and plans of the army, it seems half of them are working for the COAS directly..![]()
what if we do.....?
............... then can the level of understanding and intelligence and discourse can rightfully be expected to be much higher?
You didn't see it because we were discussing Pakistan and NOT the US of A.i like the way you guys give a spin to the words. You know what, after the NATO attack on the Pakistani checkposts, the US State Dept concluded as a post-management strategy that the President should apologies for the act, but it was the Pentagon and the guys in Langley who opposed the idea and a formal apology was never delivered, instead another game was spun, as shown by the inquiry report. So, guess what, i didnt see you or your ilks speaking of this (the US military and intelligence) as being ultra-vires and the US lacking 'complete democracy',......hypocrisy right?

the way things are in PK currently....
NO gas
NO electricity
Rising inflation
Rising un-employment
NO law and order
NO economic activity
Falling reserves
Failing institutions...PIA...Railways....Wapda.....Steel Mill....
the army would have taken-over long time ago!!!!!
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sure why not...!!!
It doesn't seem that there's complete democracy in Pakistan otherwise why would the defence minister say that the government has no control over the Army/ISI?
It is vital to promote legislative measures which establish the fundamental basis for the correct relationship between the Army and civil society within a democratic system, and the necessary subordination of the Army to civilian rule. The Army should accept that sovereignty resides in the people of Pakistan. As a consequence, the Army should reconcile itself to the mechanisms established in the Constitution.
The Army needs to be subordinate to political power, which emanates from the ballot box through the procedures established by the Constitution and should show respect for the Constitution in all its aspects.
Finally, the Army needs to be apolitical. It should remain at the margins of party politics and respect all those political forces legally constituted.
I don't think this is happening in Pakistan. The equation between the Army and the political structure does need fine tuning. Otherwise it cannot be called a democracy in the true sense.
So, the best you could do was, some more hypocrisy. Yeah, yeah, i get it, not your fault.You didn't see it because we were discussing Pakistan and NOT the US of A.
Elementary, Dr Watson!![]()
All the socioeconomic issues that you list pose serious and imminent risks to the state itself, no matter who is in charge.
at this point in time its the civilians - oh! i forgot to mention the PKR 4 Trillion over-draft in the last 4 years!!! looks like the people will be paying that long after these carpetbeggars escape to wherever they will escape...
I believe there are many astute observers of the military leadership here (not necessarily everyone who comments) and there is a lot of input on and off the forum (from individuals - friends, relatives, acquaintances, who have more direct contact with the military leadership and/or those around it) that allows for a good understanding of the mindset of the military leadership (kayani specifically) when it comes to this issue.The way most members here speak for the intentions and plans of the army, it seems half of them are working for the COAS directly..![]()