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Why would NATO not bomb Bahrain and Yemen? It would seem than their leaders, from a Western point of view, are no better than Gaddafi or al-Assad. According to the Western elites, they allegedly are rigidly oppressing their people.

What about the behavior of the Bahraini King and the Yemeni president? The former, unable to cope with people's anger, brought in the Saudi troops for the suppression of the unrests. After the mass beatings and shootings of the protesters, the authorities have banned doctors from providing assistance to the opposition. King al-Khalifa was unaffected by the fact that there were no weapons in the hands of the protesters.

In turn, the Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh continues to destroy those who oppose his regime. The mass protests demanding his resignation have been going on since the beginning of February. The opposition accuses him of the appalling corruption.

The authorities responded to this by a brutal repression. Peaceful demonstrations were shot by police. Even at the lowest estimates of the Western media, the assistants of Saleh killed over 150 people during their dispersal. However, judging by the data of several local human rights activists, hundreds were dead among Saleh's opponents.
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According to the information from Sanaa, during the last week the Yemeni president has surpassed all his previous achievements. In the recent days the situation has deteriorated markedly for Saleh. He spoke out against a number of important clans, including the country's largest tribe Hashid, whose fighters are now fighting against the National Guard loyal to the president.

Head of State made a great mistake refusing to conduct a dialogue with the leaders of the Hashid, his native tribe. According to Yemeni sources, the rally was preceded by an attempt to arrest the clan leader Sheikh Sadiq al-Ahmar. The reason for this was his statement about his transition to the opposition.

In fact, we are now talking about a popular uprising. The president fears that it could turn into a full-scale civil war. This is not surprising as from time to time the country gets immersed in a real chaos. This time, the chaos is created by the President's actions.

The cause for the armed actions that commenced on May 23 was the third failure of Saleh to immediately resign. Now he explains it by an alleged threat posed by the insurgents and militias of al-Qaeda to transform Yemen in the failed state as it happened with Somalia.

If this is the case, he said, then he would not make any concessions to his opponents and would fight those who threaten the security and stability in the country. Apparently, this is why one of his last speeches was made in the spirit of "I will leave when the violence stops."

Saleh, who has been raining the country for 33 years, refused to sign an agreement on his resignation with the opposition on three occasions, each time putting forward new conditions. It is worth mentioning that the members of the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC) that works closely with representatives of Western countries also tried to persuad him.

On May 25, British Foreign Secretary William Hague was begging Saleh to sign the "road map" as quickly as possible to save the situation. Now the attempt of a peaceful transfer of power has failed miserably.

The Yemenis, tired of his 33-year rule and repression, have taken up arms. Each new act brings closer a catastrophe for Saleh. The prosecutor's office of Yemen issued another warrant for the arrest of ten leaders of the Hashid. Thus, Saleh finally signed his own death sentence. It was his fighters who tipped the scales in favor of the opposition. In particular, they seized the building of the news agency SABA, the Ministry of Industry and Commerce, as well as the national airline Yemenia.

The situation for Saleh has markedly deteriorated as a result of the armed action of the Arhab tribe, led by the famous Sheikh Abdul Majid al-Zindani, who is considered a prominent fundamentalist, allegedly supporting terrorism, by the U.S. and Israel. The soldiers of the Arhab have blocked the international airport of the country.

The seriousness of the situation is confirmed by the fact that the Americans have begun emergency evacuation of American citizens from Yemen, including part of the state embassy in Sanaa.

Why did the West that so zealously protects the armed Islamists who opposed al-Gaddafi and Assad have not noticed the mass killings by Saleh, as well as highly reactive, in terms of democracy, monarchy in Bahrain? It would seem that there is not much difference between the Arabs of Libya and Syria and the Arabs of Bahrain and Yemen. After all, in terms of the Western values ​​of protection of different kinds of democratic freedoms, Saleh and Al-Khalifa are begging for democratization much more actively than Qaddafi and Assad.

However, the answer is simple enough. Bahrain is economically connected mainly to the United States and Saudi Arabia. Due to the fact that much of the Bahraini oil goes to the Americans, it would be foolish to expect them to refuse to support the local king who is successfully plundering the national wealth with their help.

The Bahraini Al Khalifa dutifully agrees to the conditions lucrative for the West and Saudi Arabia. This is his main difference from the obstinate Gaddafi. He did not want to give up his oil and gas fields for a pittance to multinational corporations.

Saleh is also considered one of their own. He was skillfully fooling the West, claiming that he is the only one capable of preventing the triumph of al-Qaeda in his country. In return he received astronomical sums of money to fight the terrorists amounting to half billion dollars a year.

However, the Western approval did not save Yemen from destabilization. Moreover, the fire that started in Tunisia and Egypt and flung to Libya and Syria thanks to the West, seized those Arab countries whose regimes were the U.S. allies. The fall of Saleh threatens to become one of the main shortcomings of the West after the overthrow of the Shah in 1979. Instability in Yemen poses a serious threat to all Arab oil producers in the entire Gulf region.

Sergei Balmasov
Pravda.Ru
 
Simple they are hypocrites. I mean look at the unholy Saudi/US alliance. US preaches human rights democracy etc yet there best mates run a horse and coach through their supposed ideals. And Saudis supposed support a Zionist state that hurts at every turn.
 
Simple they are hypocrites. I mean look at the unholy Saudi/US alliance. US preaches human rights democracy etc yet there best mates run a horse and coach through their supposed ideals. And Saudis supposed support a Zionist state that hurts at every turn.

Have you noticed that the indians and israelis on this forum have nothing to say about this. These incidents should be brought up whenever these indians try to defend uncle sam on the issue of democracy and human rights. The article is from the Russian newspaper Pravda. The Russians are quite aware of uncle sam's real intentions. What's funny is that on the Pravda forum whenever people ask questions about the indo-Russian relationship, the Russians shy away from the topic and a few even go as far as describing india as a fair weather friend.
 
Have you noticed that the indians and israelis on this forum have nothing to say about this. These incidents should be brought up whenever these indians try to defend uncle sam on the issue of democracy and human rights. The article is from the Russian newspaper Pravda.

You should go dig up the thread on Bahrain protests, to see if Indians have anything to say about it or not. Besides why should America care about it, America does what is good for its interest.

However whats amazing and hypocritical is that not a single muslim country except Iran(Shia) came out to condemn against thousands of killings in Yemen and Bahrain. But 2 people die in Kashmir, all these countries and leader start having a sulk like a hypocrite muppet.

tldr, ask yourself what has your country and your muslim leaders done for the oppressed people of Bahrain and Yemen.
 
You should go dig up the thread on Bahrain protests, to see if Indians have anything to say about it or not. Besides why should America care about it, America does what is good for its interest.

Exactly, so uncle sam and his minions should not whine when others do what is in their best interest!


However whats amazing and hypocritical is that not a single muslim country except Iran(Shia) came out to condemn against thousands of killings in Yemen and Bahrain. But 2 people die in Kashmir, all these countries and leader start having a sulk like a hypocrite muppet.

tldr, ask yourself what has your country and your muslim leaders done for the oppressed people of Bahrain and Yemen.

My country is more or less in the hands of poeple like Mubarak and Gaddafi so they cannot afford to pay attention to what's going on in Bahrein or Yemen. However, I'm a Bangladeshi and a Muslim and I've made my disgust quite clear to everyone on this forum, have I not? So, be contented with that. BTW Saleh and his lieutenants have fled from Yemen, so there goes another friend of your uncle sam! Are you not going to welcome Saleh and his family to your beloved india? It will certainly please your uncle sam if you do.
 

Exactly, so uncle sam and his minions should not whine when others do what is in their best interest!

They not only whine, they come and bomb the shyte out of countries too, if anyone is seen whining its you:lol:

My country is more or less in the hands of poeple like Mubarak and Gaddafi so they cannot afford to pay attention to what's going on in Bahrein or Yemen. However, I'm a Bangladeshi and a Muslim and I've made my disgust quite clear to everyone on this forum, have I not? So, be contented with that. BTW Saleh and his lieutenants have fled from Yemen, so there goes another friend of your uncle sam! Are you not going to welcome Saleh and his family to your beloved india? It will certainly please your uncle sam if you do.

So you agree that Mubarak and Gaddafi are wrong. You agree that they should be removed from power. Then what is your problem here! Isn't that exactly what NATO is doing in Libya?

I have seen this logic a lot on this forum. What would you rather have, people of Yemen and Bahrain to suffer, or people of all Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt and Libya to suffer! I would take people suffering in 2 countries over people suffering in 4 countries any day.

Don't forget that NATO is doing a favour to all these oppressed people, so it will intervene in the countries where it has something to gain. NATO is not UN.
 
They not only whine, they come and bomb the shyte out of them, if anyone is seen whining its you:lol:



So you agree that Mubarak and Gaddafi are wrong. You agree that they should be removed from power. Then what is your problem here! Isn't that NATO is doing in Libya?

I have seen this logic a lot on this forum. What would you rather have, people of Yemen and Bahrain to suffer, or people of all Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt and Libya to suffer! Don't forget that NATO is doing a favour to all these oppressed people, so it will intervene in the countries where it has something to gain. NATO is not UN.

Didnt you no roy everything NATO do is bad.

They get accused of double standards of for example not helping in yemen etc.

But lets face it they have there own interests aswell BUT atleast they help in SOME places.

Accept Iraq thats a failure of everything apart from saddam being killed.however on the current situation if he were alive and his people were protesting he'd probably kill them by the 100s.
 
They not only whine, they come and bomb the shyte out of countries too, if anyone is seen whining its you:lol:



So you agree that Mubarak and Gaddafi are wrong. You agree that they should be removed from power. Then what is your problem here! Isn't that exactly what NATO is doing in Libya?

I have seen this logic a lot on this forum. What would you rather have, people of Yemen and Bahrain to suffer, or people of all Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt and Libya to suffer! I would take people suffering in 2 countries over people suffering in 4 countries any day.

Don't forget that NATO is doing a favour to all these oppressed people, so it will intervene in the countries where it has something to gain. NATO is not UN.

We simply point out the hypocriy in your uncle sam's policy, you are not smart enough to see it like that, you see that as whining for that's what you do when people expose your hypocrisy.
 
We simply point out the hypocriy in your uncle sam's policy, you are not smart enough to see it like that, you see that as whining for that's what you do when people expose your hypocrisy.

Yup thought so, people like you just like to whine.

As I said, I dont understand why you d rather have people get killed and oppressed in 4 countries than 2 countries. I am an open minded person, but right now your arguments are pretty worthless. Actually you don't have any argument at all, you are just whining.
 
Yup thought so, people like you just like to whine.

As I said, I dont understand why you d rather have people get killed and oppressed in 4 countries than 2 countries. I am an open minded person, but right now your arguments are pretty worthless. Actually you don't have any argument at all, you are just whining.

Why would you have people killed and oppressed in two countries to begin with? With your antlike wit you may call your ‘two but not four’ a very convincing argument but people call it nothing but braying of the donkey.
 
^^ You have still got nothing mate, and you couldn't come up with anything better than personal attacks. And no, writing everything in bold letters doesn't make your inputs worthwhile.

America is not responsible for all the Arab/Muslims states in the world. It goes and helps people in the countries where it has something to gain, otherwise it doesn't. Whereas the Muslim ummah is meant to go and intervene selflessly but instead, they sit there with lips sealed, in fear, hoping that their own people don't revolt. Pretty spineless if you ask me.

And as far as lip service is concerned, which is all you have to offer to the people of Yemen and Bahrain, American leadership has done that already. What about your muslim leaders? Nothing zilch, instead they sent their forces into Bahrain to crush the rebellion. Thats your Muslim Ummah right there for you, yet you can't stop sulking about America and demonizing NATO.:lol:

And if you are going to be a potty mouth please don't bother replying.:wave:
 
^^ You have still got nothing mate, and you couldn't come up with anything better than personal attacks. And no, writing everything in bold letters doesn't make your inputs worthwhile.

America is not responsible for all the Arab/Muslims states in the world. It goes and helps people in the countries where it has something to gain, otherwise it doesn't. Whereas the Muslim ummah is meant to go and intervene selflessly but instead, they sit there with lips sealed, in fear, hoping that their own people don't revolt. Pretty spineless if you ask me.

And as far as lip service is concerned, which is all you have to offer to the people of Yemen and Bahrain, American leadership has done that already. What about your muslim leaders? Nothing zilch, instead they sent their forces into Bahrain to crush the rebellion. Thats your Muslim Ummah right there for you, yet you can't stop sulking about America and demonizing NATO.:lol:

And if you are going to be a potty mouth please don't bother replying.:wave:

America has been protecting and using the despots in the region and for that america has the lion's share of the blame. It is people like you who give lip service about democracy and human rights. So, before lecturing others look at youself in the mirror. BTW let me know if your guardian angel contacts you.
 
America has been protecting and using the despots in the region and for that america has the lion's share of the blame. It is people like you who give lip service about democracy and human rights. So, before lecturing others look at youself in the mirror. BTW let me know if your guardian angel contacts you.

Just who is an American backed despot?

Is Muammar Gaddafi American backed?
Is Bashar al-Assasd American backed?
or is Ali Abdullah Saleh who supported the Saddam's invasion of Kuwait(Muslim Ummah:lol:) American backed?

The rot is inside the Arab states and you can't blame America for that. Ever wondered why America is involved in oil rich Arab countries like Saudi and UAE and Kuwait, but not in Oil rich Venezuela?

Do I ever see people like yourself complaining about Saddams invasion of Kuwait? No I don't. Was that an American plan too? Was Saddam an American stooge as well? You need to ask yourself these questions before putting the blame on America.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, modern day crusade, zionism and all that mumbo jumbo. All I know is that if NATO hadn't intervened in Libya, more civilians would have been killed by Gadaffis forces.
 
Just who is an American backed despot?

Is Muammar Gaddafi American backed?
Is Bashar al-Assasd American backed?
or is Ali Abdullah Saleh who supported the Saddam's invasion of Kuwait(Muslim Ummah:lol:) American backed?

The rot is inside the Arab states and you can't blame America for that. Ever wondered why America is involved in oil rich Arab countries like Saudi and UAE and Kuwait, but not in Oil rich Venezuela?

Do I ever see people like yourself complaining about Saddams invasion of Kuwait? No I don't. Was that an American plan too? Was Saddam an American stooge as well? You need to ask yourself these questions before putting the blame on America.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, modern day crusade, zionism and all that mumbo jumbo. All I know is that if NATO hadn't intervened in Libya, more civilians would have been killed by Gadaffis forces.

Gaddafi and Asad are not the only despots in the region. Saleh was supported by the americans and the americans have on many occasions openly admitted that though out of your unstoppable desire to show your loyalty to america you do what even the americans do not expect you to do, it's like more Catholic than the Pope. Of course nothing can stop you from declaring that the sheikhs of the region are not the puppets of america, after all it takes courage and decency to accept the truth and you have none of them.
 
Mubarek and Gaddafi were both allies with America before all this protests. Don't forget it was America who has funded and helped Saddam Hussein to start a war with Iran. Matter of fact, the Donald Rumsfield, who was one of the masterminds to have designed the war, himeself met Saddam hussein back in 1990's to arm him with weapons.
America funded Mubarek because of Israel. The common masses in middle east don't accept Israel, and thats the only reason they have funded Mubarek. America has been taking its tax payers money and handing them over to a few rich people in developing countries.
 

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