Featured Neville Maxwell discloses document revealing that India provoked China into 1962 border war

[vi-va]

@Joe Shearer
are you still there?

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer
are you still there?

This is the second time you tagged me, @vi-va.

What is it?

 

[vi-va]

This is the second time you tagged me, @vi-va.

What is it?

You are so confident that you knew history better than I. Any comments?

 

[Joe Shearer]

You are so confident that you knew history better than I. Any comments?

Yes, to be brutally frank, I am. These are people I grew up with. These are books and documents that I have grown up with. You are my daughter's age. Long before she was born, B. N. Mallik - as a well-versed historian, you, of course, will know who he is - was a house guest (in 1961). P. S. Bhagat, Brigadier at the time of writing of the Henderson Brooks Bhagat report, was again a family friend. L. P. Sen, so brave in Kashmir, such a failure in 1962, has been home. Not that the personal relationships matter, but I was made familiar with the literature and with the circumstances before you can imagine.

I have also had to answer questions on this encounter once every two years on PDF, from each new batch of Chinese experts who arrived fresh on the scene. The same questions, the same answers, and the same dead silence afterwards. I am not the richer for these interactions; whether they are or not is not known to me. It is only that people who have watched snigger with amusement as I get suckered into a discussion one more time.

PS: A personal request: please don't tag me again. You know nothing about the subject, and I have forgotten more than you will know even in future. This is a waste of your time. My time, of course, does not matter; every passing fresh member can tag me and get enormous satisfaction from eliciting a reply from me. Like this reply.

 

[vi-va]

Yes, to be brutally frank, I am. These are people I grew up with. These are books and documents that I have grown up with. You are my daughter's age. Long before she was born, B. N. Mallik - as a well-versed historian, you, of course, will know who he is - was a house guest (in 1961). P. S. Bhagat, Brigadier at the time of writing of the Henderson Brooks Bhagat report, was again a family friend. L. P. Sen, so brave in Kashmir, such a failure in 1962, has been home. Not that the personal relationships matter, but I was made familiar with the literature and with the circumstances before you can imagine.

I have also had to answer questions on this encounter once every two years on PDF, from each new batch of Chinese experts who arrived fresh on the scene. The same questions, the same answers, and the same dead silence afterwards. I am not the richer for these interactions; whether they are or not is not known to me. It is only that people who have watched snigger with amusement as I get suckered into a discussion one more time.

PS: A personal request: please don't tag me again. You know nothing about the subject, and I have forgotten more than you will know even in future. This is a waste of your time. My time, of course, does not matter; every passing fresh member can tag me and get enormous satisfaction from eliciting a reply from me. Like this reply.

Thanks for your reply.
If my tag offended you. Sorry about it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Thanks for your reply.
If my tag offended you. Sorry about it.

No offence given, and none taken. I am just tired of explaining this to every new bunch of Chinese members every two years. Just as I am tired of explaining certain blunt truths to other members, again at intervals of two years.

 

[vi-va]

No offence given, and none taken. I am just tired of explaining this to every new bunch of Chinese members every two years. Just as I am tired of explaining certain blunt truths to other members, again at intervals of two years.

I am not one of them. Not every bunch of members are all the same.
Thanks again for your reply.

 

[sinait]

No offence given, and none taken. I am just tired of explaining this to every new bunch of Chinese members every two years. Just as I am tired of explaining certain blunt truths to other members, again at intervals of two years.

I have not read your previous posts on this issue.
It would be good to have your views again, maybe with a new perspective after a 2 years break.
Thanks.
.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have not read your previous posts on this issue.
It would be good to have your views again, maybe with a new perspective after a 2 years break.
Thanks.
.

We could come to an understanding.

I will post you in the morning (Indian time). It may sound arrogant, but I will beg you (and other sincere members) to take it seriously. I am getting sick of this unending cycle and will work hard to break it once and for all.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Is this now all coming out just to humiliate India further internationally or is this a way to a closure?

 

[Figaro]

Is this now all coming out just to humiliate India further internationally or is this a way closure?

Besides China, India, and Pakistan, I really don't think any other country cares about the 1962 war, not to mention who was the aggressor. Everyone knows India got slapped but that's about it.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes, to be brutally frank, I am. These are people I grew up with. These are books and documents that I have grown up with. You are my daughter's age. Long before she was born, B. N. Mallik - as a well-versed historian, you, of course, will know who he is - was a house guest (in 1961). P. S. Bhagat, Brigadier at the time of writing of the Henderson Brooks Bhagat report, was again a family friend. L. P. Sen, so brave in Kashmir, such a failure in 1962, has been home. Not that the personal relationships matter, but I was made familiar with the literature and with the circumstances before you can imagine.

I have also had to answer questions on this encounter once every two years on PDF, from each new batch of Chinese experts who arrived fresh on the scene. The same questions, the same answers, and the same dead silence afterwards. I am not the richer for these interactions; whether they are or not is not known to me. It is only that people who have watched snigger with amusement as I get suckered into a discussion one more time.

PS: A personal request: please don't tag me again. You know nothing about the subject, and I have forgotten more than you will know even in future. This is a waste of your time. My time, of course, does not matter; every passing fresh member can tag me and get enormous satisfaction from eliciting a reply from me. Like this reply.

I find if I have persistent tagging on some issue I have already explained at depth earlier...I make it point to store the link(s) in a larger archive...and I just post the link. The reasonable people are satiated, and the unreasonable ones are filtered out.

To large degree though, responsible and reasonable people can also do their due diligence and do thread searches themselves with key words (say neville or henderson) and member names (say joe shearer) etc.

I have done this myself in researching all kind of issues and topics with worthies I respect...rather than bug them too much...especially with "gotchas"!

 

[vi-va]

Besides China, India, and Pakistan, I really don't think any other country cares about the 1962 war, not to mention who was the aggressor. Everyone knows India got slapped but that's about it.

Most Chinese are not fully aware of this war, it was buried in history. China government seldom mention this war in media. Actually I have no memory China government ever mentioned this war until recent conflict.

Opening the wound does NO good to either side. China has no attention of doing it. But the war in 1962 has been a political bargaining chip of BJP to humiliate Nehru as well as Congress, it has been weaponized so much for India inner political fighting.

 

[vi-va]

From China point of view, BJP's right wing political stance is much more aggressive and dangerous. BJP blame Congress for the failure in 1962, to win election. But it harms China-India relationship a lot, creates a lot more tension between ordinary Indians and Chinese.

That's why I hate one man one vote, it's so nasty sometimes everything can be weaponized, sacrifice national interest.

Like what we see in the US, Trump did everything he can to win election, even though he diminished US alliance system and humiliated rivals. Modi somehow did the same to a lesser extent. Modi strong man image, Hindutva, provoke China and neighbors, diminished the relationship in the neighborhood.

 

[Nilgiri]

From China point of view, BJP is right wing political stance is much more aggressive and dangerous. BJP blame Congress for the failure in 1962, to win election. But it harms China-India relationship a lot, creates a lot more tension between ordinary Indians and Chinese.

That's why I hate one man one vote, it's so nasty sometimes everything can be weaponized, sacrifice national interest.

Like what we see in the US, Trump did everything he can to win election, even though he diminished US alliance system and humiliated rivals. Modi somehow did the same to a lesser extent. Modi strong man image, Hindutva, provoke China and neighbors, diminished the relationship in the neighborhood.

Yes China does nothing from its end.

It is such an innocent, well meaning force for good. It is not culpable in the slightest for anything.