Neo-Indus nationalism does not work

[Hamza913]

but you are wrong that religion is the only reason behind existence of Pakistan because it suggest we had no existence before Islam.

If I'm wrong, then prove it to me. Because as far as I can tell, my logic seems pretty sound.

Pakistan came into existence because they( native Muslims) were not getting equal social, economic and political rights in undivided subcontinent

And if we weren't Muslim, we'd be getting those equal rights. Hence why Islam is intrinsically linked to Pakistan.

 

[Rafi]

No I'm pretty aware. Pakistan itself only exists as a country for the Muslims of British India, so our primary identity should be focused around Islam/Muslims, particularly those from what was British India.



Most Pakistanis agree with me that they are Muslim first, as my previous statistic proved.

As for being proud of your pre-Islamic past, do you really want to be proud of your ancestors who rejected Islam despite all the messengers (peace be upon them) they received (remember, Allah sent a messenger to every nation)?

Muslim (203) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that a man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, where is my father?” He said: “In Hell.” When he turned away he called him back and said: “My father and your father are in Hell.”

If Rasulullah's (peace be upon him) father is in hell, then I'm pretty sure many of our pre-Islamic ancestors are too.



Tell that to Jinnah who said Pakistan started with Muhammad Bin Qasim:

"the Pakistan Movement started when the first Muslim put his foot on the soil of Sindh, the Gateway of Islam in India."

http://www.findpk.com/cybercity/pof/pakistan_movement.html



Don't insult me just because you're lazy.

Pakistan has a national identity now, that's why Hindu and Christian soldiers have given their lives for this country, you saying that sacrifice means nothing, is disgraceful IMO.

 

[Hamza913]

I disagree.

Then give another reason.

Wrong. Bangladesh separated because the idea of trying to form a cohesive national identity solely on the basis of Islam (or any other religion for that matter) was inherently flawed.

They separated because of ethnic pride. If unifying a country based on religion didn't work, then explain why the rest of Pakistan hasn't fractured into Punjabistan, Balochistan, Sindhudesh, etc?

One religion, 57 Nation States - Need I say more?

Pakistan itself is just a stepping-stone to the unified Muslim nation. Make no mistake, it's existence is temporary.

you saying that sacrifice means nothing, is disgraceful IMO.

You're making too many assumptions.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Then give another reason.



They separated because of ethnic pride. If unifying a country based on religion didn't work, then explain why the rest of Pakistan hasn't fractured into Punjabistan, Balochistan, Sindhudesh, etc?



Pakistan itself is just a stepping-stone to the unified Muslim nation. Make no mistake, it's existence is temporary.



You're making too many assumptions.

So you believe in the Islamic Khalifat?

 

[Menace2Society]

No, I don't.



You're missing the main point.



1. That's kufr
2. The overwhelming majority of Pakistanis would disagree with you
3. Pakistan has no reason to exist without Islam

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Look nobody is telling you not be Muslim, just don't expect Pakistanis to throw away their culture in the bin because you are brainwashed. Haven't you learnt from the TTP experience?

Islam is one of the reasons Pakistan exists, it also exists because we as a people are ideologically aligned to rule ourselves. It has always been this way.

Your myopic Islamist viewpoint is classical brainwashing through youtube clerics.

 

[Hamza913]

We are beyond just Islam. Islam doesn't tell us to be nothing else but muslims

Islam is more than just a religion, it tells you what to do in every aspect of life.

we have our cultures and backgrounds that are vibrant and diverse.

And any elements of them that contradict Islam, must be exterminated.

hailing from as far as Egypt.

That's a bit of a reach.

How dumb can you be?

You clearly didn't read the entirety of my post.

 

[Rafi]

Then give another reason.



They separated because of ethnic pride. If unifying a country based on religion didn't work, then explain why the rest of Pakistan hasn't fractured into Punjabistan, Balochistan, Sindhudesh, etc?



Pakistan itself is just a stepping-stone to the unified Muslim nation. Make no mistake, it's existence is temporary.



You're making too many assumptions.

HizbT fan boy alert. I can see you clearly now the rain has gone.......

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

And if we weren't Muslim, we'd be getting those equal rights. Hence why Islam is intrinsically linked to Pakistan.

again wrong because they are oppressing their own people in the name of caste system even now and you think that there is only one identity of Pakistani which is religious identity but multiple identity( cultural, national) can exist together and why we should compete which identity should come first or second ?

 

[Hamza913]

So you believe in the Islamic Khalifat?

What has that got to do with the discussion?

, just don't expect Pakistanis to throw away their culture in the bin

I never said it should. Read. My. Post. Properly.

myopic

I expect you to justify that claim.

 

[Dante80]

And any elements of them that contradict Islam, must be exterminated.

woa

 

[Hamza913]

HizbT fan boy alert. I can see you clearly now the rain has gone.......

You're dodging the subject since you're clearly unable to refute my points.

again wrong because they are oppressing their own people in the name of caste system even now

But those people never demanded an independent nation, so it would be silly to assume people from the Indus would do so based on the same reason.

you think that there is only one identity of Pakistani which is religious identity but multiple identity( cultural, national) can exist together and why we should compete which identity should come first or second ?

Religion should come first because it's the crux of why Pakistan exists.

 

[M. Sarmad]

They separated because of ethnic pride. If unifying a country based on religion didn't work, then explain why the rest of Pakistan hasn't fractured into Punjabistan, Balochistan, Sindhudesh, etc?

^ Self-refuting argument
The rest of Pakistan hasn't fractured because we are one people geographically; The People of Indus

Pakistan itself is just a stepping-stone to the unified Muslim nation. Make no mistake, it's existence is temporary.

Good luck with your ultimate utopian delusion

 

[Hamza913]

woa

Meh, it's our country. We'll do as we please and it's not like this hasn't already been mostly done.

The rest of Pakistan hasn't fractured because we are one people geographically; The People of Indus

This "Indus" identity is really only a thing online. Not in real life.

Good luck with your ultimate utopian delusion

Rasulullah (peace be upon him) has promised this, it will happen.

How ironic that the only person here who seems to agree with my original point is @VCheng

 

[Dante80]

Meh, it's our country. We'll do as we please and it's not like this hasn't already been mostly done.

Well it certainly is your country. I don't think that most of your countrymen would agree with you though.
I cannot blame them. What you wrote is pretty extreme. Objectively.

 

[VCheng]

I think this attempt to try and form a cohesive Pakistani identity without involving Islam has utterly failed. I will soon make a follow-up thread justifying my position that being a proud Pakistani must entail one's appreciation for Islamic principles and values as well as Muslim history (especially from what was once British India).

For once, I agree with you. If the people of Pakistan their religion to govern every aspect of their lives as a matter of State, then by rights they should be entitled to do so. Totally. This pseudo-intellectual attempt at revisionism that you called neo-Indus nationalism is a fraud.