Navies Tu-142M all set to fly into Sunset?

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

Indian Navies first Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance Patrol Aircraft (LRMR) Tu-142M landed at INS Hansa Naval base in Goa way back in 1988 and first Naval Tu-142M will complete 27 years of service next month. With Zero aircraft lost to attrition since it induction, Squadron strength still remains 8 aircrafts, but their era soon might be all set to fly into Sunset.

Indian Navy is contemplating whether to Send 3 aircrafts which are due to for major overhauls in Russia. or not to and instead retire them. Major overhauls in Russia is expensive and requires approximately one year for Beriev aircraft company in Taganrog Russia to complete extensive overhaul on the aircrafts.

3 aircrafts have already completed major overhauls recently and last aircraft IN317 was handed over to Indian Navy last August by Russian company while Baseline repairs of two other aircrafts are currently been carried out locally in INA Rajali base . faith of 3 aircrafts which need Major Overhaul in Russia remains with Ministry of Defence (MOD) who have been asked by Indian Navy to sanction funds for an overhaul.

Addition of US supplied P-8I already has improved Indian Navies Maritime Reconnaissance capability with the addition of more P-8I in pipeline in near future, maintaining and operating highly expensive Tu-142M in the fleet is becoming more and more difficult for Indian Navy . Aircraft is not only resource hungry (poor fuel efficiency ) but also requires expensive AMC and supply of Spares from OEM’s to keep them operational which might be some of the reasons Navy fears that Sanction from MOD might not come this time .

After each Major overhaul aircraft can be operational for 5 to 7 years depending on flying hours, So even if that sanction never comes from MOD Tu-142M will remain in the operational fleet for next 5 to 7 years but few aircrafts will have to be retired from 2015 onwards.

Tu-142M with its ability to carry 185 tonnes of fuel and 12.5 hours of endurance created ripples in Australian waters, Australian Military planners considered it as a significant threat and a suspicious purchase due to its ability to take off from forward bases of Indian Navy and its long endurance created some panic down under . Australian Navy monitored its flights in Indian ocean whenever it flew near its water, till the time Indo-Australian relationship improved few years back.

Tu-142M due to ageing avionics suite was updated with the latest Israeli avionics suite which incorporates Elta EL/M-2022A radar in addition to Elbit AES-210 suite and DRDO developed Homi ELINT/ESM package. Aircrafts current generation Avionics suite has considerably improved its ASW capabilities, but age is fast catching up with the old workhorse and with the availability of smaller yet effective aircrafts in its fleet Navy and MOD will soon decide its fate .

Navies Tu-142M all set to fly into Sunset? | idrw.org

 

[IND151]

Indian Navies first Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance Patrol Aircraft (LRMR) Tu-142M landed at INS Hansa Naval base in Goa way back in 1988 and first Naval Tu-142M will complete 27 years of service next month. With Zero aircraft lost to attrition since it induction, Squadron strength still remains 8 aircrafts, but their era soon might be all set to fly into Sunset.

Indian Navy is contemplating whether to Send 3 aircrafts which are due to for major overhauls in Russia. or not to and instead retire them. Major overhauls in Russia is expensive and requires approximately one year for Beriev aircraft company in Taganrog Russia to complete extensive overhaul on the aircrafts.

3 aircrafts have already completed major overhauls recently and last aircraft IN317 was handed over to Indian Navy last August by Russian company while Baseline repairs of two other aircrafts are currently been carried out locally in INA Rajali base . faith of 3 aircrafts which need Major Overhaul in Russia remains with Ministry of Defence (MOD) who have been asked by Indian Navy to sanction funds for an overhaul.

Addition of US supplied P-8I already has improved Indian Navies Maritime Reconnaissance capability. with the addition of more P-8I in pipeline in near future, maintaining and operating highly expensive Tu-142M in the fleet is becoming more and more difficult for Indian Navy . Aircraft is not only resource hungry (poor fuel efficiency ) but also requires expensive AMC and supply of Spares from OEM’s to keep them operational which might be some of the reasons Navy fears that Sanction from MOD might not come this time .

After each Major overhaul aircraft can be operational for 5 to 7 years depending on flying hours, So even if that sanction never comes from MOD Tu-142M will remain in the operational fleet for next 5 to 7 years but few aircrafts will have to be retired from 2015 onwards.

Tu-142M with its ability to carry 185 tonnes of fuel and 12.5 hours of endurance created ripples in Australian waters, Australian Military planners considered it as a significant threat and a suspicious purchase due to its ability to take off from forward bases of Indian Navy and its long endurance created some panic down under . Australian Navy monitored its flights in Indian ocean whenever it flew near its water, till the time Indo-Australian relationship improved few years back.

Tu-142M due to ageing avionics suite was updated with the latest Israeli avionics suite which incorporates Elta EL/M-2022A radar in addition to Elbit AES-210 suite and DRDO developed Homi ELINT/ESM package. Aircrafts current generation Avionics suite has considerably improved its ASW capabilities, but age is fast catching up with the old workhorse and with the availability of smaller yet effective aircrafts in its fleet Navy and MOD will soon decide its fate .







Navies Tu-142M all set to fly into Sunset? | idrw.org

We can turn into Cruise Missile platform which an carry Nirbahy/ Nirbhay II ALCMs.

As TU 95 MS itself is based on TU 142, it is not impossible, though such conversion may be very expensive.

We have used Bears for 27 years and if we retire them, we will lose all that expereince.

The range of TU 142 is enormous, it is ideal candidate, if converted, for role of Stand Off Launcher.

@XiNiX @Capt.Popeye @sancho

 

[third eye]

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Where Many of them didn’t saw the Tu 22M in India or Never Photographed in India so Till Now no Visual Claims. But Its official Russia and India Negotiated to acquire 4 of these Tu 22M maritime strike Variant. It’s publicly available in the Media sources.

Whether You People Believed or Not Yes India Operated Four Tu 22M armed with 3 Kh-22M/AS-4 KitchenCruise Missile Range upto 200 Kilo Meters .Where the Tu 22’s Combat Radius is 2400 Kilo Meters.



Originally the Soviet Tu 22 have two Hardpoints in the wing for Two Heavy Nuclear Armed Cruise Missiles and a Rotary ring in the Middle of the fuselage to carry 6 1500Kg Bombs ..But Later the Modified Tu 22 can carry more Payloads in the Fuselage because of increased Hard points .But our Tu 22M having only Three Hard points and their Armaments are stated above.



Who are all Claimed we have Tu 22M

The Australian Air Power Researchers find some of the Tu 22M in Andaman Nicobar Islands
Some Indian Navy Officials Claims that we have Tu 22M for Some time for Quick Replacement of Tu 142 and IL 38 where both of them Withdrawn from service due to MLU in Russia .
Several Indian Navy Officials Claims they seen the Tu 22 M

While We have Bunch of unaudited Defense agreements with the Russians as Secrets ..
And the Secrets remain Secrets

 

[Abingdonboy]

Indian Navies first Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance Patrol Aircraft (LRMR) Tu-142M landed at INS Hansa Naval base in Goa way back in 1988 and first Naval Tu-142M will complete 27 years of service next month. With Zero aircraft lost to attrition since it induction, Squadron strength still remains 8 aircrafts, but their era soon might be all set to fly into Sunset.

Indian Navy is contemplating whether to Send 3 aircrafts which are due to for major overhauls in Russia. or not to and instead retire them. Major overhauls in Russia is expensive and requires approximately one year for Beriev aircraft company in Taganrog Russia to complete extensive overhaul on the aircrafts.

3 aircrafts have already completed major overhauls recently and last aircraft IN317 was handed over to Indian Navy last August by Russian company while Baseline repairs of two other aircrafts are currently been carried out locally in INA Rajali base . faith of 3 aircrafts which need Major Overhaul in Russia remains with Ministry of Defence (MOD) who have been asked by Indian Navy to sanction funds for an overhaul.

Addition of US supplied P-8I already has improved Indian Navies Maritime Reconnaissance capability with the addition of more P-8I in pipeline in near future, maintaining and operating highly expensive Tu-142M in the fleet is becoming more and more difficult for Indian Navy . Aircraft is not only resource hungry (poor fuel efficiency ) but also requires expensive AMC and supply of Spares from OEM’s to keep them operational which might be some of the reasons Navy fears that Sanction from MOD might not come this time .

After each Major overhaul aircraft can be operational for 5 to 7 years depending on flying hours, So even if that sanction never comes from MOD Tu-142M will remain in the operational fleet for next 5 to 7 years but few aircrafts will have to be retired from 2015 onwards.

Tu-142M with its ability to carry 185 tonnes of fuel and 12.5 hours of endurance created ripples in Australian waters, Australian Military planners considered it as a significant threat and a suspicious purchase due to its ability to take off from forward bases of Indian Navy and its long endurance created some panic down under . Australian Navy monitored its flights in Indian ocean whenever it flew near its water, till the time Indo-Australian relationship improved few years back.

Tu-142M due to ageing avionics suite was updated with the latest Israeli avionics suite which incorporates Elta EL/M-2022A radar in addition to Elbit AES-210 suite and DRDO developed Homi ELINT/ESM package. Aircrafts current generation Avionics suite has considerably improved its ASW capabilities, but age is fast catching up with the old workhorse and with the availability of smaller yet effective aircrafts in its fleet Navy and MOD will soon decide its fate .

Navies Tu-142M all set to fly into Sunset? | idrw.org

Seems like a no-brainer to get rid of them, they are clearly very challenging to operate and the P-8Is must be a dream in comparison. The remaining order of 8 P-8Is are to be delivered to the IN this year but this is clearly not enough. Perhaps the IN wants to keep a few Tu-142 around until the follow-on orders of P-8Is are delivered.

 

[Echo_419]

Seems like a no-brainer to get rid of them, they are clearly very challenging to operate and the P-8Is must be a dream in comparison. The remaining order of 8 P-8Is are to be delivered to the IN this year but this is clearly not enough. Perhaps the IN wants to keep a few Tu-142 around until the follow-on orders of P-8Is are delivered.

But in the Looks department the Tu-142s beat the P-8is easily

 

[Abingdonboy]

But in the Looks department the Tu-142s beat the P-8is easily

Can't say I agree, I've never been a fan of the design of the Soviet's "rugged/utilitarian" products. I much prefer the refined and sweeping lines on the 737/P-8I.

 

[sancho]

Can't say I agree, I've never been a fan of the design of the Soviet's "rugged/utilitarian" products. I much prefer the refined and sweeping lines on the 737/P-8I.

Depends on what you look at? Sensors, avionics, maintenance and operational costs => clear advantage for the P8. unit costs, range, endurance, low flying and loitering capability over a target, customisation with Indian weapons or systems => clear advantage for the Tu142.

It's good to have the P8I for high altitude maritime surveillance, but we do need a complementing turbo prop MPA, that can be deployed in higher numbers and with longer endurance.

 

[airmarshal]

Russia just recently upgraded their Tu-142s.

 

[Echo_419]

Can't say I agree, I've never been a fan of the design of the Soviet's "rugged/utilitarian" products. I much prefer the refined and sweeping lines on the 737/P-8I.

Well,beauty lies in the eyes of Beholder

Depends on what you look at? Sensors, avionics, maintenance and operational costs => clear advantage for the P8. unit costs, range, endurance, low flying and loitering capability over a target, customisation with Indian weapons or systems => clear advantage for the Tu142.

It's good to have the P8I for high altitude maritime surveillance, but we do need a complementing turbo prop MPA, that can be deployed in higher numbers and with longer endurance.

That's why we need to retain these beast & TUs can do many things P8Is can't do like Customizing it with Indian weapons like Nirhbhay

 

[sancho]

That's why we need to retain these beast & TUs can do many things P8Is can't do like Customizing it with Indian weapons like Nirhbhay

They are too old and keep them upgraded and operational will be too costly. The navy has still the MRMR tender and there are some turbo prop aircrafts on offer that would complement the P8 quiet well.
The idea of using them as a launch platform for cruise missiles is not realistic one or would have operational aims. We don't need such long range bombers for Pakistan and against China they basically would be big targets, far too slow with outdated self defence capability.

 

[Indian Patriot]

New is always better than the old, so its a good move.

 

[Echo_419]

They are too old and keep them upgraded and operational will be too costly. The navy has still the MRMR tender and there are some turbo prop aircrafts on offer that would complement the P8 quiet well.
The idea of using them as a launch platform for cruise missiles is not realistic one or would have operational aims. We don't need such long range bombers for Pakistan and against China they basically would be big targets, far too slow with outdated self defence capability.

Russians are upgrading theirs so why can't we & besides they look so good & Majestic

 

[sancho]

Russians are upgrading theirs so why can't we & besides they look so good & Majestic

They don't have the same alternatives we have and if it's up to looks I would buy F14 Tomcats over F18s or F35s.

 

[Echo_419]

They don't have the same alternatives we have and if it's up to looks I would buy F14 Tomcats over F18s or F35s.

Well i guess you are right